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beavens

12-14-2005, 09:45 PM

no reads/stats except villian likes calling down draws until the river

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($51.88)
Button ($0)
SB ($36.30)
BB ($50.14)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $1, SB (poster) calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $15, BB folds, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($33) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB calls $20.30 (All-In), Hero calls $20.30.

River: ($73.60) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $73.60

stupid play?

felt like i shouldve folded after the flop raise. should i have pushed since he'd only have 20 or so behind after the call?

put villain on an overpair.

J Chap

12-14-2005, 09:47 PM

was it tens?

wdeadwyler

12-14-2005, 09:48 PM

Dude fold that flop in a heartbeat.

beavens

12-14-2005, 09:50 PM

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Dude fold that flop in a heartbeat.

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that's exactly what instinct told me to do

.edit guess what i didnt listen to?

wdeadwyler

12-14-2005, 09:53 PM

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put villain on an overpair.

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Why, nothing about villain's line is indicative of an overpair. I think he has two pair, flopped a str8, maybe even a set. Villains dont get aggro here on flops with just 1010. Hes got you beat on the flop.

beavens

12-14-2005, 09:56 PM

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put villain on an overpair.

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Why, nothing about villain's line is indicative of an overpair. I think he has two pair, flopped a str8, maybe even a set. Villains dont get aggro here on flops with just 1010. Hes got you beat on the flop.

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tryin to rationalize a bad play =\

J Chap

12-14-2005, 09:57 PM

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Villains dont get aggro here on flops with just 1010.

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i don't know about this particular villain, but tons of NL 25 villains--if they even deserve enough dignity to be considered 'villains' and not 'scrubs'--pound their tens on this flop. it's not uncommon to see them do the same thing with 99 on a 78T flop. if you haven't seen that, i'd be surprised.

that said, fold the flop to this bitch.

beavens

12-14-2005, 10:11 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($51.88)
Button ($0)
SB ($36.30)
BB ($50.14)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
Hero raises to $1, SB (poster) calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $15, BB folds, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($33) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB calls $20.30 (All-In), Hero calls $20.30.

River: ($73.60) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $73.60

Results in white below: 
SB has Jd Td (straight, jack high).
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
Button has (one pair, kings).
Outcome: SB wins $73.60. 

let this post teach people not to overvalue your monster PPs.

wdeadwyler

12-14-2005, 11:05 PM

Id think much more that 1010 would get passive here.

beavens

12-14-2005, 11:16 PM

well.. let's just say i played much better after this hand and had a good session