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12-14-2005, 01:37 PM
First post ever,
I have a couple of somehow similar bigpair hands where I don't know exactly what to do. I have recently switched to the 20s from the 10s where I virtually never folded a big overpair postflop without reads or a fourflush- or fourstraightboard showing. Now is the donklevel at the 20s still big enough to make this routineplay profitable?

To the hands

1.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t790)
SB (t770)
BB (t800)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t840)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t50</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls t35.

Flop: (t157.50) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t200</font>, BB calls [t765], Hero?

2.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t765)
BB (t800)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t745)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t920)
Button (t770)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, CO calls t60, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t45.

Flop: (t187.50) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t90</font>, CO calls t90, BB folds.

Turn: (t367.50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, CO calls [t770], Hero?

3.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
CO (t800)
Button (t790)
SB (t785)
BB (t730)
UTG (t800)
Hero (t800)
UTG+2 (t895)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t132.50) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t325</font>, Hero calls t175.

Turn: (t782.50) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB calls [t410], Hero?

Thanks in advance /images/graemlins/smile.gif

12-14-2005, 01:46 PM
You are definitely in some tough spots here. But, I think that a lot of it originates from your low raises pre-flop. Although, they really aren't so bad. Honestly, if you are new to $20 games, they are not much harder than $10 games on Party. You will be fine. You have kept some very interesting hands here, and I think you do need to respect some of the bets of the opponents a little more than in $10 games, but all-in-all your decisions won't be as hard as the ones listed above.

Insty
12-14-2005, 02:05 PM
Raise more preflop + call all of these.

12-14-2005, 02:10 PM
I don't mind the PF raises at all. they are 3-4X the BB and isolated pretty well each time.

Hand 1: I think you have to let your rockets go here. The min. raise is suspicious and someone else is interested. At these limits, donkeys call preflop raises with QJ and a set is very possible as well. Not to mention, the Ace of hearts is probably not an out for you. Bad flop and action for aces, let em go.

Hand 2: Even though top set is a monster, I like a bigger bet on the flop to protect against the flush draw. Once the scare card comes, it's very tough. The call on the turn likely means a made flush that he is slow-playing as he could not call your flop bet with just the naked A-clubs. "Hero?" after the turn action doesn't make sense as he called and you get to see a river card???

Hand 3: This is the one hand I may be tempted to overplay. I don't think you can call his flop raise. Calling leaves you clueless on the turn I think I either push or fold to his reraise on the flop. This may deviate from typical WA/WB strategy, but calling essentially puts you in the same spot on the turn unless a Q falls.

12-14-2005, 02:19 PM
1. I don't lay down aces very often, but I think you should in this particular spot (raise a bit more preflop and bet more on the flop)

2. I'd have bet around t150 on the flop. My bet on the turn would be a push, and then I don't face this problem /images/graemlins/smile.gif

3. I'd probably shove it in on the flop after his reraise. I'm not happy about it though (calling his 3-bet is the worst option).