Deep Stacks PLO tournament 18:15 ET

[Filip]

Anyone gonna play?

I heard the last one took 10 hours.

[ipp147]

I'm in - these things go on and on. I don't really have the patience!

[beset7]

These things area great. I'd play but I'm in the middle of a prop bet that features me playing 30k hands of NLHE without playing a single other game.

[ipp147]

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These things area great.

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A guy at my table just stacked off all 5000 chips on the flop with an overpair /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[beset7]

Yeah the first few levels are like that and then it slows way down after a lot of the dead money busts and the avg stack is 200bbs+

[Filip]

Seeing some the hands that end up all-in i strongly think ive made some horribel folds.

[ipp147]

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Seeing some the hands that end up all-in i strongly think ive made some horribel folds.

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I noticed that alot in the NLH I played on Sunday - some of the worst play I have ever seen.

This is pretty bad as well. You are in much better shape if you don't move tables as you get to see who the donkeys are.

The plays started to get a bit better but this is going to be a long night if I go deep in this.

What site? Buy in? Payout structure?

[Filip]

Stars, 20+2, Standard 1.4 to winner.

[Spellmen]

I have been meaning to play this but always remember an hour after it started. I finished pretty deep in a Hold'em one and it easily took 9-10 hours

[Filip]

No loss that i busted then since 7 more hours would be brutal.

[ipp147]

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No loss that i busted then since 7 more hours would be brutal.

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5hr 16mins - we are ITM!

[Filip]

Damn, gj and gl!

[beset7]

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No loss that i busted then since 7 more hours would be brutal.

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5hr 16mins - we are ITM!

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Take it down man!

I sweated for a few minutes I think you could open up a little but I haven't been playing with these guys for hours like you have.

GL!

edit: nevermind. they are calling stations.

[ipp147]

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No loss that i busted then since 7 more hours would be brutal.

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5hr 16mins - we are ITM!

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Take it down man!

I sweated for a few minutes I think you could open up a little but I haven't been playing with these guys for hours like you have.

GL!

edit: nevermind. they are calling stations.

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The guy on my left is annoying as hell, he opens alot and calls alot and uses his big stack well.

Our table is getting all the action and the other 2 seem to just be swapping chips around.

Anyway, I have now discovered that its not a good idea for us guys in the UK to play in these. Its nearly 6am and I am meant to be xmas shopping today.

[beset7]

heh. nice one. you weren't too big of a dog on the flop /images/graemlins/grin.gif

PokerStars Game #3329210312: Tournament #16317524, Omaha Pot Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2005/12/14 - 01:32:41 (ET)
Table '16317524 2' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: jimmym (22120 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: yamaha9 (363333 in chips)
Seat 3: WPT_Champ111 (102520 in chips)
Seat 5: ipp147 (119120 in chips)
Seat 7: sparky516 (128640 in chips)
Seat 8: calvino_63 (19784 in chips)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (56316 in chips)
jimmym: posts small blind 1500
yamaha9: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
WPT_Champ111 said, "lol"
ipp147 said, "come on chip leader"
yamaha9 said, "heh"
WPT_Champ111: folds
ipp147 said, "throw a stack at him"
ipp147: raises 6000 to 9000
WPT_Champ111 said, "lmao"
sparky516: folds
calvino_63: folds
JTriverrat: calls 9000
jimmym: folds
yamaha9: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Qc Th]
ipp147 said, "come on, do it for the kids"
ipp147: bets 22500
ipp147 said, "Jimmy has mouths to feed"
JTriverrat: raises 24816 to 47316 and is all-in
ipp147: calls 24816
*** TURN *** [8s Qc Th] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [8s Qc Th 5c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ipp147: shows [Kh Kd 9d 7c] (a straight, Six to Ten)
JTriverrat: shows [Ts Qh Jd Ad] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
ipp147 collected 117132 from pot
WPT_Champ111 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 117132 | Rake 0
Board [8s Qc Th 5c 6c]
Seat 1: jimmym (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: yamaha9 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: WPT_Champ111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ipp147 showed [Kh Kd 9d 7c] and won (117132) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 7: sparky516 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: calvino_63 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: JTriverrat (button) showed [Ts Qh Jd Ad] and lost with two pair, Queens and Tens

[ipp147]

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heh. nice one. you weren't too big of a dog on the flop /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I was gonna fold and then a voice reminded me that the mighty moderator told me to "open up"

[beset7]

/images/graemlins/smile.gif good work then. I told you it would work out. I'll take my 10% on party poker if you don't mind.

[ipp147]

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:) good work then. I told you it would work out. I'll take my 10% on party poker if you don't mind.

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Thats fine. But you also have to agree to take 10% of my losses from side games while this has been going on /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[beset7]

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:) good work then. I told you it would work out. I'll take my 10% on party poker if you don't mind.

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Thats fine. But you also have to agree to take 10% of my losses from side games while this has been going on /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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lol. i hope you are atleast breaking even after you win this thing. these guys suck.

[ipp147]

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:) good work then. I told you it would work out. I'll take my 10% on party poker if you don't mind.

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Thats fine. But you also have to agree to take 10% of my losses from side games while this has been going on /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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lol. i hope you are atleast breaking even after you win this thing. these guys suck.

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If it goes on any longer I'm gonna have a serious brainfart.

I blame Filip. Never trust a swede.

[beset7]

Brutal. The ol suckout resuckout.

PokerStars Game #3329589490: Tournament #16317524, Omaha Pot Limit - Level XVI (3000/6000) - 2005/12/14 - 02:38:53 (ET)
Table '16317524 13' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: 78chief (122200 in chips)
Seat 3: yamaha9 (322098 in chips)
Seat 4: ipp147 (416962 in chips)
Seat 6: Bluff_Bluff (147920 in chips)
Seat 7: krypto (255820 in chips)
ipp147: posts small blind 3000
Bluff_Bluff: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
krypto: calls 6000
78chief: calls 6000
yamaha9: folds
ipp147: calls 3000
Bluff_Bluff: checks
*** FLOP *** [5s 5d 6d]
ipp147: bets 24000
Bluff_Bluff: raises 72000 to 96000
krypto: folds
78chief: folds
ipp147: raises 72000 to 168000
Bluff_Bluff: calls 45920 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [5s 5d 6d] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [5s 5d 6d 7c] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ipp147: shows [5h 4d Jc 7s] (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
Bluff_Bluff: shows [Kc 9h 5c 3h] (a full house, Fives full of Nines)
Bluff_Bluff said, "whew"
Bluff_Bluff collected 307840 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 307840 | Rake 0
Board [5s 5d 6d 7c 9d]
Seat 2: 78chief folded on the Flop
Seat 3: yamaha9 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ipp147 (small blind) showed [5h 4d Jc 7s] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Sevens
Seat 6: Bluff_Bluff (big blind) showed [Kc 9h 5c 3h] and won (307840) with a full house, Fives full of Nines
Seat 7: krypto folded on the Flop

[beset7]

you're gonna do a deal huh? These guys sucks pretty bad and your in 3rd anyways. Why not go for it?

[ipp147]

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you're gonna do a deal huh? These guys sucks pretty bad and your in 3rd anyways. Why not go for it?

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Cos it's now 8am in the UK and I feel [censored]

By the way, if you went for the chip count you'd have gotten $821.

congrats

[beset7]

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you're gonna do a deal huh? These guys sucks pretty bad and your in 3rd anyways. Why not go for it?

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Cos it's now 8am in the UK and I feel [censored]

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How much did you get I wasn't watching. Congrats!

[ipp147]

We were 3 handed and chopped. It looked like

Player A - 600,000 - $1070
Player B - 400,000 - $940
Me - 300,000 - $854

Actual prizes if we played on were,

1st $1,391.50
2nd $885.50
3rd $586.96

I don't play many MTT's and have never chopped so I was clueless.

Anyway, thanks beset, filip, spellman and anyone else that watched or supported (or laughed).

Cheers

[ipp147]

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By the way, if you went for the chip count you'd have gotten $821.

congrats

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I thought I recognised that name when the mysterious observer suggested the fair chop. Thanks for that /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Do you have a computer program or spreadsheet that you plug these things into?

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We were 3 handed and chopped. It looked like

Player A - 600,000 - $1070
Player B - 400,000 - $940
Me - 300,000 - $854

Actual prizes if we played on were,

1st $1,391.50
2nd $885.50
3rd $586.96

I don't play many MTT's and have never chopped so I was clueless.

Anyway, thanks beset, filip, spellman and anyone else that watched or supported (or laughed).

Cheers

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Hey, what about me? My one little comment earned you over $30.

The chip leader was trying to screw you (assuming he knew what he was doing), offering what was it? 1200 - 900 - 750 or so.

Usually support does a simple chip stack calculation. This is biased against small stacks since it underestimates your real chances of winning. Such a count would have been a 1125 - 915 - 820 chop.

[beset7]

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By the way, if you went for the chip count you'd have gotten $821.

congrats

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I thought I recognised that name when the mysterious observer suggested the fair chop. Thanks for that /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Do you have a computer program or spreadsheet that you plug these things into?

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It's pretty easy to calculate. Just award everybody 3rd place money (since everyone has it locked up) and then distribute the rest by percentage of chips in play. For some reason even stars screws this up often. During the WCOOP lee jones himself totally blew one of the deal calculations screwing one of the chip leaders. I don't know why they stood for it.

You're welcome.

I put it in a spread sheet. But there's no way I can provide a copy, sorry. There is no way to do a perfect chop with 3 or more players.

Pokerstars uses a simple method called a "chip count". The way this works is they give each player 3rd place money (in your case) and then split the rest of the prize pool based on the current chip count. This method is fine if the stack sizes are close (or if there are only 2 players involved - it's perfect in that case), but once someone gets a decent lead (50% or more) it overestimates their share. In your case the chip leader would have been overpaid by about 5%.

A few months ago I read a thread in MTT about a certain theory for estimating fair chops. For the life of me I can't remember what it's called. I can't find it on the search either. I remember how it works though and my spreadsheet is based on it.

Anyway, it's based on the idea of estimating your chances to finish 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc based on stack sizes. Barry Greenstein's site has some info about the general problem here (http://www.barrygreenstein.com/settlements%20in%20tournaments.doc) (note: math heavy).

[Filip]

Grats on the money! Doubt i'll ever play one again.

And i think that splitting isnt all that trivial if one should belive mr greenstein.

[krypto]

Yikes I went out 4th in that bad boy and you chopped after I left!! sigh! I liked the tourney alot but never again on a work night. I went to bed about 3 A.M. and had to wake up at 6A.M. I thought it was a long but fun tourney and took more skill to win than when the blinds really come on fast. I guess the chip leader did good chopping because he came in second, or maybe he just gave up after chop.

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I guess the chip leader did good chopping because he came in second, or maybe he just gave up after chop.

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They didn't care about TLB and pushed all-in every hand.