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12-13-2005, 12:46 PM

From PS 180 (I placed 9th yesterday). This hand did not involve me, but involved two big stacks middle of tourney (I think both were top 7 or so at the time among chip leaders).

My view is that as a big stack, I'd rather attack small stacks - but others can disagree of course.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t8489)
CO (t18543)
Button (t16179)
SB (t16919)
BB (t7741)
Hero (t8510)
UTG+1 (t18355)
MP1 (t22739)
MP2 (t16710)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
5 folds, CO raises to t3200, 1 fold, SB calls t2800, 1 fold.

Flop: (t6400) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets t3200, CO raises to t6400, SB calls t3200.

Turn: (t19200) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, CO bets t8893 (All-In), SB calls t7269 (All-In).

River: (t35362) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t35362

Results in white below: 
SB has Th Tc (three of a kind, tens).
CO has 7c 4c (straight, eight high).
Outcome: CO wins t35362.

12-13-2005, 12:51 PM

The lesson here is muck your pocket tens on the turn!

Sam T.

12-13-2005, 12:53 PM

Is the lesson, "Don't build a monster stack by doubling your already large stack."?

12-13-2005, 12:56 PM

I think re-raising T's in the SB against a raise from the late position big stack would be better than not getting involved.

12-13-2005, 12:56 PM

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I think re-raising T's in the SB against a raise from the late position big stack would be better than not getting involved.

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Yup.

12-13-2005, 01:10 PM

Absolutely. I'm not suggesting you don't involved but if you had played out the hand like this, then you've got to fold the river. I can only imagine that the SB has put the CO on an open-ended str8 draw but it's lunacy to call the all in on the turn, especially with an mertely an overpair and no outs.
Great play by the CO though.

yvesaint

12-13-2005, 01:11 PM

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Great play by the CO though.

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yea, playin the nuts is hard, he nailed it

12-13-2005, 01:13 PM

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Great play by the CO though.

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yea, playin the nuts is hard, he nailed it

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near nuts, 79 would be the nuts at the flop. and Q9 at the river. but your right. nice play by CO.

Riverman

12-13-2005, 01:16 PM

This is a lesson in just how horrible people are in online tournaments.

12-13-2005, 01:18 PM

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This is a lesson in just how horrible people are in online tournaments.

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lol.

schwza

12-13-2005, 01:22 PM

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This is a lesson in just how horrible people are in online tournaments.

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i don't think either one of them played it badly. i'd raise more on the flop if i'm CO, but other than that it's fine. SB has a lot of options but i think his is fine.

FUpaymee

12-13-2005, 01:55 PM

I'd fold on the turn in a heartbeat...while I wouldn't be thinking he had a straight, I'd be worried he hit a set on the flop or hit an overcard on the turn. To me this is a no-brainer.

bluesbassman

12-13-2005, 02:06 PM

Weak fish here.

I don't understand why the SB only made a 1/2 pot sized bet on the flop, then called a raise and an all-in on the turn. I would have played this hand as the SB one of two ways, depending on my read of the villain:

1) Make a pot-sized bet on the flop, and push a raise.

or

2) Make a 1/2 to full-sized pot bet on the flop like the SB did, but check/fold if the villain calls/raises.

It seems inconsistent the way the SB played it... or is that my usual fishy thinking?

jcm4ccc

12-13-2005, 02:10 PM

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i don't think either one of them played it badly. i'd raise more on the flop if i'm CO, but other than that it's fine. SB has a lot of options but i think his is fine.

[/ QUOTE ] I thought the SB played it a bit weakly. He could have pushed preflop (I don't know that I would have done that). But on the flop, when he was reraised, he should have folded or pushed (calling pot commits him anyway, for the most part). I would have pushed.

schwza

12-13-2005, 02:10 PM

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I'd fold on the turn in a heartbeat...while I wouldn't be thinking he had a straight, I'd be worried he hit a set on the flop or hit an overcard on the turn. To me this is a no-brainer.

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SB has 7k left in a 19k pot. sure, he's probably behind, but there's too much chance he's not.

now that i think about it, SB should've reraised the flop. who cares if you let villain get away for the last 7k? he has a lot of outs pretty much no matter what he has.

adanthar

12-13-2005, 02:13 PM

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i don't think either one of them played it badly.

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The fact that the SB didn't push PF for 20% of his stack to a loose LP raise is like a travesty. Or something.

Oh, him not getting every chip in on the flop sucks, too.

schwza

12-13-2005, 02:15 PM

crap, ok, looked at stacks again. SB should obviously push pre. i thought they were deeper for some reason.