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Maulik

12-13-2005, 02:40 AM

Villain is new to table. Within my last three hands I had JJ and opened for a raise hit a set bet pot on a draw heavy flush+straight board.

please comment on all streets

Party Poker (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
4 folds.

Flop: 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
.

Turn: 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks.

Final Pot:

DJ Sensei

12-13-2005, 02:42 AM

ow, my converter... i'll holler at this as soon as i know what happened

Maulik

12-13-2005, 02:59 AM

i got to the river, duh! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Maulik

12-13-2005, 03:01 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($134.65)
SB ($30.40)
BB ($44)
UTG ($42.70)
Hero ($55.75)
CO ($157.46)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($12.75) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($24.75) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($24.75) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15.

Final Pot: $54.75

PoBoy321

12-13-2005, 03:02 AM

Looks alright to me. I think JJ pays you off on the end.

Maulik

12-13-2005, 03:05 AM

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Looks alright to me. I think JJ pays you off on the end.

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Let's correct this; I'm not happy with medicore play.

PoBoy321

12-13-2005, 03:08 AM

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Looks alright to me. I think JJ pays you off on the end.

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Let's correct this; I'm not happy with medicore play.

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Optimal is probably raise the flop, bet the turn, value bet the river. Without the Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif I think it's very dangerous to give a free card on the turn. Villain's play looks a lot like a lower overpair.

DJ Sensei

12-13-2005, 03:22 AM

Raise the flop, bet the turn, bet the river sounds good to me. raise flop, check turn, bet river works too, if you're concerned about the hearts.

EMcWilliams

12-13-2005, 03:39 AM

With a PFR v. A caller I think I have less concerns about hearts then I would if he limp called. Fire flop, turn and the river is probably your best line, with Flop, checking turn firing river next best.

Maulik

12-13-2005, 03:40 AM

how is the value river bet?

EMcWilliams

12-13-2005, 03:48 AM

Since no overs came I think that JJ-88 is calling us here, so the valuebet works. If he had the flush hed probably lead that flop.

Isura

12-13-2005, 11:35 AM

Raise the flop. Given your line, I love the river bet.

J Chap

12-13-2005, 11:42 AM

i've found the most success value-betting like 3/4 of the pot when checked-to on the river. it's gorgeous. here, i've been firing like $18 and reaping a lot of calls.

maybe just a long streak. is 15 better? i dont know, maybe stupid villains think 18 looks more desperate to buy the pot than 15.

discuss
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Mercman572

12-13-2005, 12:46 PM

I reraise the flop to about the size of the pot and 1/2 pot the turn. Big suited cards play this way as well as a low overpair (if the flop alone is considered).

As played I'm 1/2 potting the turn. River value bet is good. No way did he tries for a river checkraise with a made flush after the turn got checked through.