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12-13-2005, 12:57 AM
I am just curious as to what people who have recently moved up to $33 from $22 on Party think of the transition. I am a player who had a very high ROI in $20+2 but am just barely better than even in my first 25 or so $30+3. I know it is a small sample, but I definitely notice that the play is significantly better in the $30+3.

Any comments on this?

12-13-2005, 01:11 AM
Wondering the same thing, I have a high ROI in the 22's but am bankrolled for the 33's. I hear there are too many pros in the 33's so i was just gonna wait till I was BRed for the 55's.

xLukex
12-13-2005, 01:17 AM
Hmm never really thought of this.

Come on guys, chime in with some answers!

12-13-2005, 01:33 AM
People HAVE to have something to say about this, I'll check back tomorrow

Hendricks433
12-13-2005, 01:38 AM
Theres a lot more Pros in the $55's than the $33's from what I know.

12-13-2005, 01:43 AM
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Theres a lot more Pros in the $55's than the $33's from what I know.

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True, but with the $55's, you are more than doubling the buy in, you are not cutting your ROI in half, unless you suck. If the $33's are comparable to the $55's it might be more profitable to play the $22's until the time comes for the $55's. A huge MTT cash would solve all this....

Hendricks433
12-13-2005, 01:45 AM
Ive been hoping for a huge MTT cash myself. Im still waiting /images/graemlins/frown.gif Im stuck at 11th.

splashpot
12-13-2005, 01:56 AM
20% ROI at the 22s equals 13% ROI at the 33s. So your long term results have to be MUCH worse at the 33s for your point to be valid. There is not that huge a difference in skill between these levels.

12-13-2005, 01:59 AM
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20% ROI at the 22s equals 13% ROI at the 33s. So your long term results have to be MUCH worse at the 33s for your point to be valid. There is not that huge a difference in skill between these levels.

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I wans't making any conclusions, just putting out ideas. This ws the kind of post I was looking for /images/graemlins/wink.gif

xLukex
12-13-2005, 02:05 AM
I bet I could do >13% at the 33s. Will I ever try?

Well, yes, probably.

Soon? Maybe.

Before or after I lose my roll playing MTTs? Well...hmm... that one is tough.

runner4life7
12-13-2005, 02:11 AM
ive been playing both the 22s and the 33s, if you are beating the 22s easily i think you shouldnt have much of a problem with the 33s.

ilya
12-13-2005, 02:31 AM
The $33s are disproportionately difficult IMO. There is a substantial increase in average skill over the $22s. Fewer people will give you their stack early, and your bubble opponents will be more competent.

12-13-2005, 03:03 AM
I am new to 2+2 and have learned a lot. I just started playing 22's on my laptop. Started with 3 tables and now 9 tabling with the new beta. I have played 357 the last few days and my ROI is 20.45 so far with ITM 38.66 and 123 look like 49 50 39. My question is if i start 10 tabling on 2 monitors and play all day could I play 4000 in one month? I know 357 is not enough, but I have already had a few crazy streaks, good and bad. It just seems to good to be true the money that can be made at these SNG's, is it?

Bluff Daddy
12-13-2005, 04:15 AM
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I am new to 2+2 and have learned a lot. I just started playing 22's on my laptop. Started with 3 tables and now 9 tabling with the new beta. I have played 357 the last few days and my ROI is 20.45 so far with ITM 38.66 and 123 look like 49 50 39. My question is if i start 10 tabling on 2 monitors and play all day could I play 4000 in one month? I know 357 is not enough, but I have already had a few crazy streaks, good and bad. It just seems to good to be true the money that can be made at these SNG's, is it?

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you would die before you played 4000 sng's in a month

fluorescenthippo
12-13-2005, 04:20 AM
i only have a slightly higher hourly rate at the 33s. but they will certainly help you more if you ever want to play the 55s.

runner4life7
12-13-2005, 04:21 AM
like he said thats just a ton of games to play. I dream of playing 3000 games in a month but i think i will finally break 1000 for the first month this month, which is sad considering I 10 table. But if you truly have the discipline(sp) to play even 3000 a day I believe at the 30s 15k is doable. Just dont go crazy and kill yourself /images/graemlins/wink.gif

bones
12-13-2005, 04:36 AM
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I am a player who had a very high ROI in $20+2 but am just barely better than even in my first 25 or so $30+3.

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25? That's not small, that's miniscule.

That aside, the 33s are more difficult than 22s obviously, but they're great preparation for the 55s. If you're looking for short-term earn, I'd suggest the 22s. But if you want to make money at poker, you're going to need to learn to beat bigger games. Play the 33s if you have the roll. Move down if you have to, but they aren't THAT much tougher.

12-13-2005, 04:43 AM
I was in exactly the same spot a month or so ago before I cashed out a large chunk of my BR. I kept moving up and getting killed, it happened 3 or 4 times and really dented my confidence but I kept at it and it worked out eventually.

There's definitely a difference but I eventually went on a massive heater and ended up recouping my losses and hitting something like 30% ROI. If you're a good enough player it'll sort itself out and you'll be fine.

Insty
12-13-2005, 08:30 AM
If you'd been on a heater and been at 50% ROI after 25 would you have posted that too?

I think the $33s are more hard than the $22s than a lot of people claim. Maybe they are used to playing even higher limits where it is even harder. I found the jump from 11 to 22 to be much easier, in that the skill difference between the 11's and 22's is not as great as that between the 22's and 33's.

It seems to depend a lot on when you play. If you hit the sweet spot there are a ton of really bad players, if you don't, there are ton of good players and it is not uncommon to find a SNG where 8 or 9 of the 10 people are quite good. At the 22's you'll get 4 or 5 bad players whatever time you play.

My ROI at the 33's is currently 10 points less than my ROI at the 22's. Which makes the 22's theoretically more profitable for me. But I've got the bankroll, and I want to get better, so I'm going to keep grinding out the $33s and eventually I might win my fair share of showdowns..

You're not the only one having this problem. Just keep at it.
Chiaroscuro's message gives me hope.

12-13-2005, 12:10 PM
The reason I posted this last night was not only because my ROI has not been as good as it was on $22s, but because, when I got to the bubble, I felt like the play was significantly higher. In $22s, I feel as though I have so many opportunities where I can decide to push all in and use FE to my advantage. What I found really different is that the other players in $33s understand bubble play and I found the opportunity to push all-in very rare because it was always happening (correctly) in front of me. Does anyone else notice this specifically about bubble play in $33s?

Isura
12-13-2005, 12:27 PM
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I am just curious as to what people who have recently moved up to $33 from $22 on Party think of the transition. I am a player who had a very high ROI in $20+2 but am just barely better than even in my first 25 or so $30+3. I know it is a small sample, but I definitely notice that the play is significantly better in the $30+3.

Any comments on this?

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I went break-even for my first 150 $33s. Things will get better if you don't suck.

bones
12-13-2005, 05:26 PM
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if you don't, there are ton of good players and it is not uncommon to find a SNG where 8 or 9 of the 10 people are quite good.

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microbet
12-13-2005, 06:02 PM
Since I'm generally being a punk, I'm going to add one of my favorite quotes to this thread. It's not directed at the OP, but just to some unspecified portion of this thread.

What's that smell in this thread? Didn't you notice it? Didn't you notice the powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this thread?

Bill Poker
12-13-2005, 06:22 PM
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if you don't, there are ton of good players and it is not uncommon to find a SNG where 8 or 9 of the 10 people are quite good.

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if you cannot spot a sucker in the first X rounds, you are the sucker.
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12-13-2005, 06:38 PM
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I went break-even for my first 150 $33s. Things will get better if you don't suck.

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And if you do?? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

12-13-2005, 06:50 PM
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I went break-even for my first 150 $33s. Things will get better if you don't suck.

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And if you do?? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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It's easy to forget, but for every player who has a 4 to 1 1st place to 10th place ratio, there is a guy who has a 4 to 1 10th to 1st. Why they don't move down to the $5 tourneys to get better, I have no idea.

1C5
12-13-2005, 06:59 PM
I have paid my bills, don't need a cashout for a while so I am at the 22s and will soon by at the 33s and then 55s as my bankroll should begin to grow finally.

12-14-2005, 03:51 AM
I am going out on a limb and predicting I win the leaderboard on Party in January. I plan on playing 4000 20's. I am going to 8 tabe 14 hours a day all 31 days. I have being using the last few weeks as training. I will post my handle on the 31 and willing to make any side bets with anyone who wants to compete.

ilya
12-14-2005, 04:07 AM
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I am new to 2+2 and have learned a lot. I just started playing 22's on my laptop. Started with 3 tables and now 9 tabling with the new beta. I have played 357 the last few days and my ROI is 20.45 so far with ITM 38.66 and 123 look like 49 50 39. My question is if i start 10 tabling on 2 monitors and play all day could I play 4000 in one month? I know 357 is not enough, but I have already had a few crazy streaks, good and bad. It just seems to good to be true the money that can be made at these SNG's, is it?

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4k a month is definitely possible 8-tabling but it'd be challenging. i wouldn't try to play 4k without working up to it gradually. try to play 2k in a month, see how that goes.

SammyKid11
12-14-2005, 04:21 AM
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4k a month is definitely impossible 8-tabling without methamphetamines.

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I almost hate to, but...FYP. Are you kidding me? Even 8-tabling continuously, say you get in 11/hour (I've only ever played in sets, is this close to accurate?). That still comes out to over 12 hours of poker per day, every day (no breaks on weekends). As much as I do enjoy playing poker, I think I'd rather clean up human feces with my bare hands than do this.

12-14-2005, 04:25 AM
I know it will not be easy, but going to go full steam and see how long I last. I plan on going to Thailand for vacation in February and want to have plenty of money.

ilya
12-14-2005, 04:38 AM
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4k a month is definitely impossible 8-tabling without methamphetamines.

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I almost hate to, but...FYP. Are you kidding me? Even 8-tabling continuously, say you get in 11/hour (I've only ever played in sets, is this close to accurate?). That still comes out to over 12 hours of poker per day, every day (no breaks on weekends). As much as I do enjoy playing poker, I think I'd rather clean up human feces with my bare hands than do this.

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$1000 says I can do it in January.

12-14-2005, 05:12 AM
anyone playing 22's on party right now? i am grinding, gf just baked cookies, could life be any better.

SammyKid11
12-14-2005, 07:06 AM
If I had an accurate way of verifying that you:
a) Played 4k SnG's in one month
b) Never played more than 8 tables at a time
c) Didn't play specifically to fit the $1000 bet (ie- you play the 6's and play super-aggressively to where you either win or bust out early on so as to open a new table)
d) Didn't use any kind of drug to aid you along the way...

...then I'd take the bet. I think you'd go mad before you'd play 4k SnG's, all in your normal style, all without doing more than 8-tabling, all without any pharmaceutical aid, in one month. Seriously...12+ hours a day, continuously, every day for 30 days straight. Insane asylum time.

12-14-2005, 10:06 AM
If I'd try to play 4000 in a month, I would die. I'm not kidding. I would actually die.

12-14-2005, 10:30 AM
I don't think it can be done either without the $1k on the line. If someone makes a wager then it becomes much easier to accomplish, but doing it with only your pride on the line.....i don't think so.

IdiotVig
12-14-2005, 10:33 AM
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$1000 says I can do it in January.

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I dunno...12.5% rakeback is a sucky offer.

12-14-2005, 10:50 AM
OMG!

12-14-2005, 11:00 AM
There was a respected poster, I think it was Irie, who said that he recommended jumping from the 22's to the 55's after you built the roll at the 22's. Combination of 1000 starting chips, and competition isn't THAT much better at the 55's than the 33's.

12-14-2005, 11:08 AM
I started out at the 33's right away. Am I a cool crazy sexy genious?

splashpot
12-14-2005, 11:10 AM
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I started out at the 33's right away. Am I a cool crazy sexy genious?

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I can't tell if you spelled genius wrong on purpose or not. It would be funny if it's not on purpose.

12-14-2005, 11:14 AM
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I can't tell if you spelled genius wrong on purpose or not. It would be funny if it's not on purpose.

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I realized it was wrong as I was about to post, but figured I was worth the comment I would surely get /images/graemlins/wink.gif

12-14-2005, 11:57 AM
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I can't tell if you spelled genius wrong on purpose or not. It would be funny if it's not on purpose.

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I realized it was wrong as I was about to post, but figured I was worth the comment I would surely get /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Wow, then you truly are a genious /images/graemlins/smile.gif

12-14-2005, 12:21 PM
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I can't tell if you spelled genius wrong on purpose or not. It would be funny if it's not on purpose.

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I realized it was wrong as I was about to post, but figured I was worth the comment I would surely get /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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gratz einstein

12-14-2005, 09:12 PM
Nice meeting you today Ilya, see ya at the tables. And I will get you back, your up 1-0.

ilya
12-14-2005, 09:22 PM
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Nice meeting you today Ilya, see ya at the tables. And I will get you back, your up 1-0.

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Heh, nice meeting you too. Although the less we see each other at the tables, the better, probably. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Pasterbator
12-14-2005, 09:30 PM
I havent read every post in this thread, but i skimmed thru it so i hope I'm not just repeating everything.

$22s vs $33s:

I just moved up to the $33s a month or so ago, so with just about 400 SNGs under my belt, I'm not sure my info is accurate, but here it is.

The early level play is slighty tighter. Most people will not be pushing preflop with 77-JJ like at the $22s, although you will still encounter some of them.

The late game seems to be much better. People still spite call with K6 and such because they know you are bluffing with K5, but for the most part, bubble play is smarter.

Jason

P.S. 4000 SNGs in a month is insane. Good luck. I would like to speak at your funeral.