10/20 Hand

[Drontier]

Playing 6 handed. PAHUD isn't working, so dont have stats in front of my face. From what I can tell though, button plays weird. Hes probably a 40 VPIP player, pretty aggressive PF, but not much so postflop. Also, he limps hands like Ax on the button(doesn't blind steal too much).
BB is probably kind of solid. Nothign really stands out.

I have 4c,4d

Button limps, I complete in the sb, bb checks.

Flop, 8s,2c,3h
I bet, call, call

Turn 8c
I bet, call, call

River Jh
I check...

[Danenania]

Pretty easy value bet I think.

[Drontier]

really? explain please.

[Danenania]

2's, 3's, and possibly worse hands(depending how bad they are) will call a bet but usually check behind when you check. Checking lets them value bet their better hands against you.

[Drontier]

the way i saw the hand. buttons range is A3,A2,some suited hands with 2 overs, 45, A5, A4, he also can have pocket pairs. Sb is pretty smart and he is not "overcalling" with Ax or a 2. He might even fold some 3s. Button or sb can be slowplaying an 8 to charge me 1 extra. I do not plan to fold if raised, because I think a missed draw is possible(unless its a call then a raise). I know im getting called by 3s and even by some 2s by button, but I thought inducing a bet, would be better? Also losing one less against an 8?

[mperich]

Who is slowplaying an 8 on that flop. Not the solid player thats for sure. People are a lot less likely to bluff in 3way pots on the river than they are to call, and a jack isnt raising this river either. This is a very standard river bet and not betting is a pretty large error.

-Mike

[Lmn55d]

easy river value bet. 2s 3s and aces call. It's unlikely anyone has an 8, and someone is betting a jack anyway but usually not raising with it. A4/A5 that flopped a gutshot are usually calling (maybe not overcalling)

[kiddo]

[ QUOTE ]
Who is slowplaying an 8 on that flop. Not the solid player thats for sure. People are a lot less likely to bluff in 3way pots on the river than they are to call, and a jack isnt raising this river either. This is a very standard river bet and not betting is a pretty large error.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yep, agree.

But I dont know about the solid player. He calls twice with only low cards on board and no obvious draws. Raise or give up seems more normal.

[joker122]

"Also losing one less against an 8? "

but surely you're folding to a raise? or did i misinterpret this?

[Drontier]

my read at the time was anythign less than a pair of 3s, sb was not calling. button needs at least a pair of 2s to call. does that change anything?

[ArturiusX]

Check-fold is better than check-call.

[mperich]

Maybe you should include these reads in the original post :P
And not, it doesnt change anything as these are by far their most likely hands.

-Mike

[Drontier]

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Check-fold is better than check-call.

[/ QUOTE ]no way.

[Lmn55d]

how does one acquire a read that a player will call with 36 but not A2/k2?

[Drontier]

well my exact read was what i wrote under dane. see there. that was just my feeling of the type of player he is. of course i am only human with room of error. he may call a little higher or lower than my actual range i credit him for.

[kiddo]

Dont know where u play but if your normal opponents dont bet a worse hand then our Heros pretty often in this situation if he check they are very, very passive. You have to call this on all the 6max tables I can think of.