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GutPunch

12-12-2005, 02:23 PM

Going through PT, I have found that I just don't quite know how to play JJ properly. Here are a few hands from the $22 level.

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UTG (t2855)
MP1 (t915)
MP2 (t870)
CO (t965)
Button (t1065)
Hero (t795)
BB (t535)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP2 raises to t150, 2 folds, Hero calls t125, 1 fold.

Flop: (t350) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t200, MP2 raises to t720 (All-In), Hero ???

Hand 2

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CO (t770)
Button (t1145)
SB (t785)
BB (t745)
UTG (t660)
Hero (t800)
UTG+2 (t425)
MP1 (t600)
MP2 (t1020)
MP3 (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls t15, UTG+2 raises to t30, 3 folds, CO calls t30, Button raises to t125, 2 folds, Hero calls t110, UTG+2 calls t95, CO folds.

Flop: (t430) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, Button bets t500, Hero ???

Hand 3

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UTG (t770)
UTG+1 (t1180)
UTG+2 (t1012)
Hero (t745)
MP2 (t765)
MP3 (t835)
CO (t585)
Button (t618)
SB (t760)
BB (t730)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, 6 folds, UTG+2 calls t120.

Flop: (t345) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t225, UTG+2 calls t225.

Turn: (t795) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets t370 (All-In), UTG+2 calls t370.

River: (t1535) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1535

Hand 4

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MP (t1339)
CO (t1570)
Button (t935)
SB (t1345)
Hero (t1756)
UTG (t1055)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
4 folds, SB raises to t1345 (All-In), Hero calls t1145.

Hand 5

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MP1 (t775)
Hero (t1500)
CO (t605)
Button (t1010)
SB (t2185)
BB (t730)
UTG (t1195)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises to t75, 3 folds, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t160) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets t300, Hero ???

tewall

12-12-2005, 02:37 PM

Hand 1 either re-raise all-in or fold pre-flop. Given the flop action, it's an easy call. You should be more on the flop as your hand is extremely vulnerable.

Hand 2 limping is fine, but once button raises to 125 you're in push or fold territory. Given the favorable flop, you should bet it. This is also an easy call.

Hand 3 That's not too bad a flop, certainly better than having an Ace appear. I would push it and hope my opponent doesn't have a Queen, which he probably doesn't. Pushing is easily +EV here.

Hand 4 is a very easy call.

Hnad 5 I'd fold. If I were checked to, I'd take a stab at the pot (probably bet 100), but fold to a raise.

kevkev60614

12-12-2005, 02:45 PM

Hand 1: I woulda played it the same way, and then folded to the flop raise.
Hand 2: I raise preflop. Since you limped, I would've folded to the raise and reraise preflop.
Hand 3: Would've bet a little less on the flop, say 175. Then I usually check behind the turn, and see what happens on the river. I don't hate the way you played it, though.
Hand 4: Probably good. Somewhat read-dependant, though.
Hand 5: Too big of a raise pf, IMHO. Fold the flop.

12-12-2005, 02:49 PM

Heck, I busted out of a 6000 person MTT in two consecutive hands with JJ. Ran into AA on the first, then QQ on the second, and I was dead. The AA sucked me in, big time. The QQ, I went all-in pre-flop to scoop the pot from 3-4 limpers.

Was 27th out of 150 left at the time.

I'm starting not to like the fishhooks!!

tewall

12-12-2005, 03:06 PM

MTT is much different, of course. I would play JJ just for set value early on. Might try to win a small pot with a favorable flop, but would be VERY cautious. The second play I like; just unlucky.

12-12-2005, 03:20 PM

1. I push preflop. If you call preflop, I check raise on the flop to get value out of a continuation bet from overcards. If you bet and he raises, fold against an average or tight player, call vs. an aggressive or tricky one.

2. Preflop, decide whether the button has a better pp than you. If he does, fold pf. If he doesn't, call the flop bet and push the turn (unless UTG+2 also calls and the turn is a club). If you call preflop and fold to a bet when the flop is all undercards, then really you were just playing JJ for set value. You're not really getting odds to do that.

3. Fine. Hopefully he had a flush or straight draw, but he could just as easily have had a Q or a set. There's no way to tell, really, without risking your whole stack. Definitely bet the turn. Against a made hand, you're losing everything anyway, and putting money in here gets value from draws.

4. Easy call as long as SB isn't a rock.

5. Fold unless you have reason to believe he's a donk. He bets out on a weak flop after you raised pf? If he was testing whether you had overcards or a pp, he wouldn't overbet the pot so much. I smell a set or a slowplayed AK or QQ-AA.