no limit games so i play no-limit

[thejameser]

What's up NL forum.

My regular limit games were full this last weekend so I played a little $200NL($1/$2 blinds). This is my first hand for discussion. I am particulary interested in the turn decision and what consists of a "standard" NL decision.

BB-Gambler, loose pf and postflop ~$90 from his most recent buyin.
UTG-Sort of reasonable, but i have seen him go all-in on a draw before.~$140
UTG+1-Classic weak/tight; ~$220
UTG+2-Horrible; ~$100 on this buyin
MP2-Big time gambler: usually calls anything with top pair/no kicker. ~$250 on second buy-in.
CO-decent player. ~$300
Button-tight. ~$280

It was not unusual for there to be 8 or 9 to the flop with no raises. Great game. In this hand I am in the SB with 23o. I am down a little, I have maybe $90 from my $100 buyin.

I complete, BB checks, 8 to the flop.

Flop- J22rainbow

I check, BB bets $6 all call, I call.

Turn- 9 completing the rainbow.

I check, BB bets $10, all call, I push.

I figured the pot is big enough for me to protect my hand from what couple of draws may be out there. Standard? Comments on all streets appreciated.

Final pot: $134 before i pushed my remaining stack.

[swolfe]

i throw this hand away in the SB

i would lead the flop

was this live? your stack is a little short even for online, but in live play the preflop raises are generally bigger, so you really need your stack to be deeper to maintain profitability. i would rebuy for the max...

[thejameser]

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i throw this hand away in the SB

i would lead the flop

was this live? your stack is a little short even for online, but in live play the preflop raises are generally bigger, so you really need your stack to be deeper to maintain profitability. i would rebuy for the max...

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yes, live. i was getting what, 15-1 preflop and i am fit and fold on the flop with rags like that. good enough odds for me. i only bought in for $100, kind of weak, but NL is NOT my game so i wanted to minimize my potential losses(i know, i know it also limits my potential winnings, meh). that flop checks through never and there were some hapless bluffers at the table so i thought i would slowroll a little. i normally hate slowplay, but with these morons and that board i thought i would play the flop slow.

[ludo72]

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UTG-Sort of reasonable, but i have seen him go all-in on a draw before.~$140

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[thejameser]

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UTG-Sort of reasonable, but i have seen him go all-in on a draw before.~$140

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i know. but in comparison to the other players he was sort of decent. when he went to rebuy i heard several players comment he never did that(allin on a oesd), so maybe he was tilting. i don't know.

[RiverFenix]

I would much rather announce that I have the 2 on the flop with a c/r and be content taking down the pot there.

23o stinks, but I would make the call pf too with that many to the flop.

[swolfe]

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UTG-Sort of reasonable, but i have seen him go all-in on a draw before.~$140

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i know. but in comparison to the other players he was sort of decent. when he went to rebuy i heard several players comment he never did that(allin on a oesd), so maybe he was tilting. i don't know.

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the /images/graemlins/confused.gif is because pushing draws is not an inherently bad play like you're implying.

[yvesaint]

you have 45 BBs in a live 1/2 game with flopped trips from the SB

get it in on the flop w/a big check-raise, youve got the perfect position to do it, and all Js are coming along for the ride

also, small stakes

[thejameser]

all i know is he was getting MAYBE 2-1 when he CALLED all-in on the turn. that is not profitable IMO but i would like to be convinced. if you push all-in at least you have fold equity to go with your draw. calling is just bad i think.

[swolfe]

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all i know is he was getting MAYBE 2-1 when he CALLED all-in on the turn. that is not profitable IMO but i would like to be convinced. if you push all-in at least you have fold equity to go with your draw. calling is just bad i think.

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[thejameser]

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all i know is he was getting MAYBE 2-1 when he CALLED all-in on the turn. that is not profitable IMO but i would like to be convinced. if you push all-in at least you have fold equity to go with your draw. calling is just bad i think.

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shrug, maybe he had a read that his pair outs were good /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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listening to these guys count outs was hilarious.

[soah]

Fold preflop, post in SSNL. The rest is fine. There's no way you can be sure your hand is good but your stack is too short and the pot is too big to do anything but get it all in and hope for the best.

[PuertoKid]

Looks ok to me. I probably put in the big checkraise on the flop instead of the turn. But taking it from the turn, I do the same as you.

Edit: and there is nothing wrong with completing in the sb in this situation in my book.