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J-Lo
12-12-2005, 03:18 AM
reads: villain is super loose, will bet given the oportunity

thoughts: check flop, keep pot small, hella scary flop.
Turn bet could be any 2 cards-- no chance he has the flush. i have open ended straight draw (6 outs+3 A's) i'l call- i have A high!
river bet is a WTF, is he blocking? the flush didn't come, can't put him on a real hand, i've been passive and let him do the betting-- he must have nothing, stupid donk.

I think stack sizes are important to look at here


#Game No : 3178131914
***** Hand History for Game 3178131914 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:18163178 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Saturday, December 10, 16:53:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 66801 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ronmax11 ( $1700 )
Seat 4: jdawg10605 ( $2375 )
Seat 5: neZhdan ( $875 )
Seat 6: cschreiber ( $1765 )
Seat 7: chnkylover57 ( $2200 )
Seat 8: mmsbbb ( $1085 )
Trny:18163178 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to chnkylover57 [ Ac 9c ]
neZhdan folds.
cschreiber folds.
chnkylover57 raises [150].
mmsbbb folds.
ronmax11 folds.
jdawg10605 calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 8h, Qh ]
jdawg10605 checks.
chnkylover57 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
jdawg10605 bets [175].
chnkylover57 calls [175].
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
jdawg10605 bets [225].
chnkylover57 calls [225].

edit: thoughts

bigt439
12-12-2005, 03:45 AM
You really think he has KJ or A5 that much on the river? He did call a raise pf, it's not some battle of the blind or limping hand. I can't see calling this river being right. I think the turn call is quite marginal as well. I don't know why he "can't have the flush" either.

J-Lo
12-12-2005, 03:54 AM
His turn bet was a function of my flop check. He bets EVERYTIME u show weakness-- he hasn't been to any showdowns. on turn, i was gettin 3:1, vs a villain w/ a VERY WIDE RANGE w/ 9 outs. River bet left me totally baffled, why is he betting 225 into an ~775chip pot? Whenever i ask myslef this question, it's either a monster or a bluff, i can't figure out why he's doin it-- wreaks of a dark tunnel bet. Can't be a blockign bet, 'cuz nothing "got there." So either he has a monster or nothing-- agian i put the villain's range to be HUGE.

Newt_Buggs
12-12-2005, 04:42 AM
From my point of view this river call looks insane.

bennies
12-12-2005, 05:59 AM
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he must have nothing, stupid donk.


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LOL. haha

- I agree though...

J-Lo
12-12-2005, 11:28 AM
What do YOU put the villain on at the river? Is that bet not a, "desperation, don't call me" bet? He knows i have nothing. With a weak hand, with showdown value, he'd check. I feel 1/2 these donks at the $55's are playing with their cards face up. Of course he proceeds to berate me after i call on river-- that should tell u what he had.
But the point is vs bad LAGs, callin a river "missed, dark tunnel" bet is +EV.
Also, who makes what sized continuation bet on flop?

sofere
12-12-2005, 12:11 PM
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reads: hero is super loose, will call given the oportunity

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Are you serious? You called down almost 25% of your stack with A high! and not even the nut A high. If you want to test to see where he is, reraise the turn don't call. I would much rather put an extra 300 on the turn than 225 on the river.

You call on the river chasing an open ended straight draw or a pair of As when theres a good chance that 3 of your outs are counterfeit.

Sorry for the flame, but I can't see anyway to justify this play. There are better ways of keeping someone honest than by giving them chips. Even if you did have him beat I would never make this play.

schwza
12-12-2005, 12:28 PM
i dislike the turn call and hate the river call. one reason the turn call is bad is that you don't have 9 outs - you have 9 possible outs, but more likely you have 6 outs (if villain holds a heart), and maybe 0.

on the river, you might be paying off his "bluff" with 33/AJ/AT/etc. blocking bets are not "monster or air." they're often something like A8 that want to get to a cheap showdown and want to squeeze a little value out.

12-12-2005, 12:45 PM
I bet 3/4 on the flop. I raise the turn. I think I'm with you on the call on the river, but it's more marginal. Doing either of the other two plays gives you more information and avoids this situation.

SonnyJay
12-12-2005, 02:02 PM
Just because he'll bet a lot doesn't mean that he never has something. I too much prefer a turn raise to calling the turn and calling the river. As others have pointed out, his "bluff" can very well be beating you.

Personally, I would've cbet the flop. He's probably scared of it too, and it makes the rest of the hand a little easier to play.

The way the hand played out I can't imagine calling the river. You can't simply assume
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His turn bet was a function of my flop check.

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and justify it to call down almost a quarter of your stack. I just don't see the reward outweighing the risk.

-SonnyJay

bigt439
12-12-2005, 02:15 PM
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w/ 9 outs.

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That's very generous.

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River bet left me totally baffled, why is he betting 225 into an ~775chip pot? Whenever i ask myslef this question, it's either a monster or a bluff, i can't figure out why he's doin it-- wreaks of a dark tunnel bet. Can't be a blockign bet, 'cuz nothing "got there." So either he has a monster or nothing-- agian i put the villain's range to be HUGE.

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I think you're overanalyzing this. Firstly, he could just be like, meh, I have tp, bet it. Secondly, he could be milking you with a flush or some other hand he deems milk worthy. Thirdly, a bunch of bluffs beat you. I understand what you're saying and why you made the call, but you've painted a story that reaches the conclusion you want it to. Yeah you can win this hand, but it's not nearly enough to call on the end here IMO, and apparently that of some other posters.