PDA

View Full Version : Huh? - Neutral EV

Scuba Chuck
12-12-2005, 03:05 AM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB (t2945)
Hero (t1255)
Button (t3085)
SB (t715)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t300

This is surprisingly close to 0 EV. I guess once you consider blind stealing, pushing here is better than folding. Just an interesting review for me. No point.
Scuba Chuck
12-12-2005, 03:10 AM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Hero (t995)
Button (t3885)
SB (t355)
BB (t2765)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t500</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t800
Burno
12-12-2005, 03:11 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I guess once you consider blind stealing, pushing here is better than folding.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't follow. Could you say this another way?
Scuba Chuck
12-12-2005, 03:13 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I guess once you consider blind stealing, pushing here is better than folding.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't follow. Could you say this another way?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm in the BB on the next hand.
Burno
12-12-2005, 03:16 AM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I guess once you consider blind stealing, pushing here is better than folding.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't follow. Could you say this another way?

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm in the BB on the next hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Roger.
Maulik
12-12-2005, 12:03 PM
yeah, let the SB do himself in.
schwza
12-12-2005, 12:13 PM
[ QUOTE ]
This is surprisingly close to 0 EV.

[/ QUOTE ]

you mean having the bb get a walk there is 0 EV for you? or folding = pushing in EV for you?
Slim Pickens
12-12-2005, 01:04 PM
It's a good example of why you have to put your opponents on accurate calling ranges to get any useful info from SNGPT.
11t
12-12-2005, 01:50 PM
Eh I push here 100% of the time unless the BB or button have like, been maniac callers.
12-12-2005, 02:55 PM
Being BB next hand is HUGE. SNGPT will not factor this in.
Mr_J
12-12-2005, 03:28 PM
I push this anyway.

Like you have already mentioned, you will most likely lose 200-300 over the next 2 hands.

The other reason I like it is because it takes the opportunity away for sb to steal here, and you can't rely on him busting out. A steal from him here and someone stealing next hand has you both equal. People who lower their aggression here will often find themselves getting screwed (their own fault).
ilya
12-12-2005, 03:42 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Being BB next hand is HUGE. SNGPT will not factor this in.

[/ QUOTE ]

sure it will. that's been a "new" feature for, like, 4 months.
12-12-2005, 04:14 PM
Ehm.. yeah. Isn't the first hand the easiest push ever? Are my bubble instincts that bad nowadays? I don't have SNGPT on this computer, but it looks like an easy push to me. Second hand is closer.
Scuba Chuck
12-12-2005, 06:17 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Ehm.. yeah. Isn't the first hand the easiest push ever? Are my bubble instincts that bad nowadays? I don't have SNGPT on this computer, but it looks like an easy push to me. Second hand is closer.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you missed the point of my post.

Hand 1 is close, and because of position, I should push.
Hand 2 is not close.