Limit Hold'em Tournament hand

[burrla]

Last night in a Local Casino tournament i found myself in a odd situation.

there are 18 players left, i have 2000 out of the 50000 chips in play.

i'm in the big blind for $200

Player A--loose agressive player, who loves to raise on draws and nothing at all makes it $400 from under the gun. Well i happened to catch a glimpse at her cards and saw the j-3 of diamonds. I thought to myself WTF is this person doing heh.

Everyone folds and the small blind calls (Player B) the extra $300, while he was calling i happened to see his cards also heh. Q-4 of diamonds. I know this person likes to chase his draws, but doesn't push them hard.

I look down to see A-6 both black.

player A is holding J-3 of diamonds
player B is holding Q-4 of diamonds
I am holding A-6 off

Question 1, what to do here. (obviously i should play this hand)

I made it $600 and they both quickly call

I have 1400 chips left
player a has 1800 and
player b has 1400 left.

flop comes off 9d-9c-6d

Player B checks, i bet $200, Player A raises $400, Player B calls,

Question 2-what do i do Keep in mind i know i have them both drawing to 13 outs total because i saw their cards,

I decided to re-raise and commit myself to the pot.
Player A capped it for $800.

pot is $4200 now

i have 600 left
player a 1000
player b 600

the turn is nice to me, a black 5

i guess it's academic after here, i have to play my hand.

Well in the end a black Queen came on the river giveing player B the winner and me a early exit.

did i play preflop and the flop right? Or was there too much danger to commit all my chips when i coulda just check called with the best hand.

Sometimes i hate seeing other players cards.

[burrla]

if i didn't see the other players cards i woulda mucked this hand preflop

another question, Should i have anyways?

[MtSmalls]

You are relatively short stacked, as are both of your opponents. You know exactly where you stand (assuming you didn't mis read one hand or the other). The PF raise is good. I am not so sure about the flop bet. You have two pair, but player B is drawing to 10 outs (7 diamonds, 3 q's) and player A to just 3 outs, both twice of course. So you are roughly a 60-40 leader here. That's a fairly big edge. I think you have to bet and raise the turn, then obviously fold the river when you know you are beat. You are basically representing the third 9, so they should think that a couple of their outs are 'dirty'.

I suppose a case could be made for letting the two aggressive players battle each other, hoping one goes down and you move up in the standings (assuming you are already in the money) or wait for a chance to move closer to the money, especially if you are going to be able to see their cards again.

[burrla]

thats what i was thinking.

just check call knowing i have the best hand and not put my chips at risk.

Btw only the top 5 got paid. it was a top heavy tournament.

[punkass]

You can see their cards huh.
Did this just start now? Or were their cards exposed throughout the whole game?
Any thought in your head to inform them that their cards are exposed?

[burrla]

it happens a lot more than it should be lol,

and no thought in my head is going to tell them to quit showing me their hand.

[Copernicus]

thats what happens when you let the riff-raff in

[sam h]

The idea of playing this hand any other way than the way you did is crazy (except maybe the looking at peoples' cards thing. if you want to shoot angles and aggressively peek, go ahead. but don't whitewash it with all this stuff about "happening" to see the cards of the players on both sides of you).

Why would you not bet and raise at every opportunity until the river? It just doesn't make any sense.

[fnurt]

I can definitely see the argument that if players are regularly letting you see their cards, you shouldn't risk it all on one hand where you might get drawn out on.

Seems like you would have had a lot of money in the pot either way, but yeah.

[jon_1van]

If they unknowingly expose thier cards to you it is proper for you to tell them that. If you have any integrity you must tell them at least once.

I also find it hard to believe that 2 people will "accidentally" show you thier cards.

[Copernicus]

From his 7/17 12:10 post I already figured out he has no integrity.

You have to be careful taking that kind of advice though...one of my first times at a B&M I was told by the guy on my right that I was flashing my cards to him. I thought about how I was looking at them, and couldnt figure out how that could be, but adjusted to the left anyway. I finally figured out that he was steering me to flash my cards to the guy on my left. I played the rest of the day without looking at my hole cards at all.

J/K of course...but I did report my suspicions to the floorperson. He didnt agree or disagree, but did comp lunch, and when I got back the two guys were at different tables.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Not only that, but a smart player across the table who sees him peeking should speak up immediately.

[punkass]

comp lunch huh...maybe i should try that for a free meal....


Thank goodness there's some integrity shown now. I was starting to feel like I was in the dark. I say, serves you right for not telling these guys you can see their cards.