HU v 2+2er: Bottom 2 pair

[TheWorstPlayer]

Villain is a solid 2+2er who has been running really hot lately, if that matters. He's not really great, but he's reasonable. A bit on the w/t side but pretty aggro postflop. Has a few tricks, but not really too tricky. Can definitely make a few moves, though.

Where do I raise? Where do I fold? I felt like a fish.

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SB ($414.29)
TWP ($463.17)
Button ($402.30)

Preflop: TWP is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $13</font>, TWP calls $11.

Flop: ($30) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $22</font>, TWP calls $22.

Turn: ($74) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $55</font>, TWP calls $55.

River: ($184) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, TWP checks.

[Bukem_]

Looks fine.

[jkkkk]

Yea looks good.

[yvesaint]

KJ as bottom 2-pair is not a strong hand this looks fine to me

[jkkkk]

P.S

Exercise better game selection. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[TheWorstPlayer]

If I could fund my Party account, I would. As it is, I was playing on both tables skins had to offer. /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[BobboFitos]

i dont get this hand at all

[BobboFitos]

btw dov you need to beonline a lot more

and thnaks for the vote of confidence for pickin me to lose first round /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[flawless_victory]

whats there not to get?
u wanna go allin, or what?
looks fine, standard, etc.

[BobboFitos]

edit: post edited, I thought the w ment wild, not weak. I still play more aggressively preflop, esp. if he's weak tight, though.

[TheWorstPlayer]

I entered the bracket really early before there was the whole official signup thing so my bracket is not counting to the best of my knowledge, so you don't have to worry about me picking you to lose. And I only picked up to lose as a hedge since obviousy I would be happy if you won. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

And what don't you get about this hand? I felt like raising on the flop and on the turn but that was tilt talking I'm pretty sure. Just the knowledge that I would lose the hand if I didn't raise made me want to raise, but I kinda feel looking back on it like raising is bad. It's nice to see everyone who has posted so far has agreed with that (except for you). What do you want to do where?

And I wanted to fold the river, because I knew I had lost, but I wanted to see if he had sucked out on me with AQ or AT so I checked instead of folding.

[BobboFitos]

[ QUOTE ]
I entered the bracket really early before there was the whole official signup thing so my bracket is not counting to the best of my knowledge, so you don't have to worry about me picking you to lose. And I only picked up to lose as a hedge since obviousy I would be happy if you won. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

And what don't you get about this hand? I felt like raising on the flop and on the turn but that was tilt talking I'm pretty sure. Just the knowledge that I would lose the hand if I didn't raise made me want to raise, but I kinda feel looking back on it like raising is bad. It's nice to see everyone who has posted so far has agreed with that (except for you). What do you want to do where?

And I wanted to fold the river, because I knew I had lost, but I wanted to see if he had sucked out on me with AQ or AT so I checked instead of folding.

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Yeah, this is reasonable, I understand 100% if you play a big pot here you lose. That said, it's possible to put a flop raise in and not play a big pot. In my head if you call down you lose more then raising hte flop; there are a million bad cards; etc.

I *did* misread, as I'm prone to do, your description, where I thought he was wild to have any ace, a multitude of draws, etc.

[flawless_victory]

KJ is the poster child for a hand i dont want to reraise preflop...

[TheWorstPlayer]

He said raise on the flop not preflop. I still don't like it. This guy won't call a raise with just an ace on this board and he is quite likely to have aces up, set, or nuts here. If I were thinking clearly, I would be closer to folding than raising. River is a clear fold if he min-bets.

[soah]

He said preflop.

[TheWorstPlayer]

where? was it in the one he edited? cause in the longer one he says 'raise the flop'.

[BobboFitos]

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where? was it in the one he edited? cause in the longer one he says 'raise the flop'.

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It was in the one I edited, Im really tricky + sly like that

[edge]

[ QUOTE ]
He said raise on the flop not preflop. I still don't like it. This guy won't call a raise with just an ace on this board and he is quite likely to have aces up, set, or nuts here. If I were thinking clearly, I would be closer to folding than raising. River is a clear fold if he min-bets.

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Lame. Wouldn't you raise the flop with air a lot of the time? I throw a raise in on the flop or turn. Anyway, raising preflop in a 3-handed blind battle does not mean he has a hand.

[TheWorstPlayer]

This guy, yes it does. I told you he bordered on w/t. Especially against me. He does not like to tangle with me. Especially out of position. And yes I would raise the flop on a bluff. But why bluff with a hand with some showdown potential? It's not like he's gonna call off his stack with A2 because he knows I will occasionally bluff here. And he is quite likely to have a hand. Don't I just want a cheap showdown here?

[BK_]

looks good

[Hattifnatt]

I make it 140 on the turn and fold to a push. As played river check is fine.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Well, he outdrew me with AT. Glad I played it well at least. Since I can't win a pot this month, I am doubting myself I guess in spots even where my line is fine. Thanks, guys.

[BK_]

figure out how to put money on party!