Party 500K Hand, Flopped Full House

[KramerTM]

Very early in the tournament. Blinds still at 10/15. No reads on anyone.

Hero (1470)
MP1 (1530)

Hero is dealt 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif in SB.

3 limpers, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: (75) J/images/graemlins/spade.gifJ/images/graemlins/heart.gif9/images/graemlins/spade.gif

4 checks, Button bets 25, Hero calls, MP1 calls

Turn: (150) [J/images/graemlins/spade.gifJ/images/graemlins/heart.gif9/images/graemlins/spade.gif] Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif

Hero bets 85, MP1 calls, Button folds

River: (320) [J/images/graemlins/spade.gifJ/images/graemlins/heart.gif9/images/graemlins/spade.gifQ/images/graemlins/spade.gif] 4/images/graemlins/club.gif

Hero bets 200, MP1 raises to 600, Hero re-raises all-in to 1345

My uncertainty has to do with my final raise.

[KramerTM]

Please?

[KramerTM]

And no, this is not a bad beat post. If you cannot see why, then I am sorry.

[Rednax]

FWIW, I think you're both committed so your raise is fine.

[KramerTM]

I think it's more a question of what does he raise with here that I still beat. And moreover, what will he call my final raise with that I beat?

Those last 500 or so chips just don't seem worth risking my tournament life on.

[gobboboy]

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I think it's more a question of what does he raise with here that I still beat. And moreover, what will he call my final raise with that I beat?

Those last 500 or so chips just don't seem worth risking my tournament life on.

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It's called a 'flush.'

[KramerTM]

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I think it's more a question of what does he raise with here that I still beat. And moreover, what will he call my final raise with that I beat?

Those last 500 or so chips just don't seem worth risking my tournament life on.

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It's called a 'flush.'

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While your read is fascinating, it's not entirely correct. I don't think people who put up 215 dollars to play in this thing are calling with a flush.

[yvesaint]

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While your read is fascinating, it's not entirely correct. I don't think people who put up 215 dollars to play in this thing are calling with a flush.

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have you played the party 500k before?

[KramerTM]

HAHA. Nope. Is that modus operandi there?

[bruce]

Firstly, interesting scenario.

Secondly, I prefer calling. I'd rather have T700 chips left and be alive than busting. If you reraise and your
hand is good you double up. If you call the raise than
you have around T2300 if you win. Against an unknown player
I'd rather live another day rather than have T700 more in chips. With T700 in chips with the blinds still small you
are certainly not dead meat. Perhaps I'm a weak tighty,
but I'll assume my opponent is not blind and he is aware that the board is paired. If so than about all you can beat is pocket Fours.

I prefer leading on the flop. I think you'll find by betting out you'll win bigger pots in general.

Bruce

[KramerTM]

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Firstly, interesting scenario.

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Thanks. Glad someone else was intrigued/confused.

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Secondly, I prefer calling. I'd rather have T700 chips left and be alive than busting. If you reraise and your hand is good you double up. If you call the raise than
you have around T2300 if you win. Against an unknown player
I'd rather live another day rather than have T700 more in chips. With T700 in chips with the blinds still small you
are certainly not dead meat. Perhaps I'm a weak tighty,
but I'll assume my opponent is not blind and he is aware that the board is paired. If so than about all you can beat is pocket Fours.

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This was the line I immediately thought was best, but this was after busting. I just wanted a sanity check to make sure that merely calling the raise on the river was not too weak-tight or passing on opportunities to accumulate chips early in a tournament.

What I realized is this... winning those last 500 chips during Level 1 of a tournament will do almost nothing in helping me win. On the flipside, losing those last 500 chips and being knocked out of the tournament gives me exactly 0% chance of making any money in the tournament.

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I prefer leading on the flop. I think you'll find by betting out you'll win bigger pots in general.

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I like this a lot. Besides winning a huge pot from a naked J, I think this would also make drawing hands who are afraid to lead on the flop pay more in the longrun. This is a solid takeway from this hand.

Thanks! Good stuff.