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Scuba Chuck
12-11-2005, 05:15 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t500 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

SB (t1115)
Hero (t4520)
UTG (t753)
Button (t1612)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Button calls t753, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t253.

Flop: (t1756) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t500</font>, Hero calls t500.

Turn: (t2756) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, Hero calls t359.

River: (t3115) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3115
splashpot
12-11-2005, 05:19 PM
Call 253 to win 2256 if I counted correctly. Almost 10-1. I'd say it's worth it.
Scuba Chuck
12-11-2005, 05:20 PM
No the FD on the flop.
Scuba Chuck
12-11-2005, 05:21 PM
I'm essentially getting 3:1 to call right? That's how I should be thinking about it?
splashpot
12-11-2005, 05:23 PM
Oh, my bad. Still it's call 500 to win 2756. That's still 5.5-1. Still worth it.
GtrHtr
12-11-2005, 05:24 PM
I think its standard, with your stack. If I'm one of the other stacks I'm not playing this like this at all.
splashpot
12-11-2005, 05:24 PM
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I'm essentially getting 3:1 to call right? That's how I should be thinking about it?

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The converter always messes up the pot size when there is an all in. If you add it up by hand, you get a different number. And better odds for you.
Scuba Chuck
12-11-2005, 05:24 PM
I'm thinking it's worth it even without proper odds. I guess that's really the question I'm asking.
11t
12-11-2005, 05:29 PM
Do yourself a favor and produce some FE by pushing the flop.
splashpot
12-11-2005, 05:32 PM
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Do yourself a favor and produce some FE by pushing the flop.

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You mean for the purposes of keeping the bubble alive? I suppose that would have it's advantages.....not sure if I would do it though.
12-11-2005, 05:52 PM
I like this hand here. I think the button was silly for betting out unless he already had a big hand...it would be stupid for him to try to bluff you off this pot. your stack is so big here that i think you can try to knock em both out with little regret if you lose the hand.

I am curious what Button raised with after the flop....
11t
12-11-2005, 06:15 PM
check-calling this flop is awful because of how high of a % of your stack it is and you are going to be pot committed to call a push on the turn if a non club hits.

Open pushing here is by far the most +EV move. You don't want to race but if you must you should at least be the first into the pot.

FWIW I think pushing preflop is probably more +EV than calling and open pushing when you hit your draw.

EDIT: NVM, I misread the hand and didn't see that UTG was all in. I was wondering what the deal with the button's raise was. But yah I'd check-call a push/bet on this flop and open push the turn when I hit.
Scuba Chuck
12-11-2005, 06:17 PM
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FWIW I think pushing preflop is probably more +EV than calling and open pushing when you hit your draw.

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I'd like to hear more of why you think so. I don't think it's true. But I've been wrong before....
11t
12-11-2005, 06:18 PM
No you are right, I misread the hand. I would just check/call a push or c/r to get all the chips in on the flop though. I mean its not like you can fold a flushdraw being the big stack getting 4:1.
Scuba Chuck
12-11-2005, 06:28 PM
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I'm thinking it's worth it even without proper odds. I guess that's really the question I'm asking.

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I'm going to answer my own question, in order to get some discussion. Let's say I'm getting less than 3:1 to chase my draw. Is it worth it (I'm guessing it is) to chase because of the enormous advantage I will have if I win. In otherwords, the gain is so so much more than the loss.
bigt439
12-11-2005, 06:49 PM
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I'm thinking it's worth it even without proper odds. I guess that's really the question I'm asking.

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I'm going to answer my own question, in order to get some discussion. Let's say I'm getting less than 3:1 to chase my draw. Is it worth it (I'm guessing it is) to chase because of the enormous advantage I will have if I win. In otherwords, the gain is so so much more than the loss.

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I think you just answered your own question... /images/graemlins/grin.gif