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gildwulf
12-10-2005, 06:22 PM
Curious what people think of this hand:

NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee
Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: jalbertb ( $1860 )
Seat 4: elkboy67 ( $654 )
Seat 5: Hero ( $1573 )
Seat 9: Turlockrep ( $2993 )
Seat 10: Scuba ( $920 )
Trny:18163176 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Th Qd ]
jalbertb folds.elkboy67 folds.
Hero is all-In [1573]
Turlockrep folds.
Scuba will be using his time bank for this hand.
Scuba is all-In [720]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 3c, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]
Scuba shows [ 4h, As ] a straight, three to seven.
Hero shows [ Th, Qd ] high card queen.
Hero wins 653 chips from side pot #1 with high card queen.
Scuba wins 1940 chips from the main pot

mlagoo
12-10-2005, 06:29 PM
if he knows youre 2+2 it doesnt seem terrible, although it does seem fairly.. marginal, i guess.

if he doesnt know your 2+2, and doesnt have some other "ninja read" (bones, 2005) on you, it seems pretty bad.

wuwei
12-10-2005, 06:33 PM
Good push, easy call v. a 2+2er.

gildwulf
12-10-2005, 06:51 PM
I id'ed myself to him at the beginning of tourney as a 2+2

1C5
12-10-2005, 06:56 PM
Well there was your mistake. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

benza13
12-10-2005, 07:02 PM
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I id'ed myself to him at the beginning of tourney as a 2+2

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Then this looks fairly standard.

12-10-2005, 07:54 PM
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Good push, easy call v. a 2+2er.

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Does this mean I shouldn't be calling *anybody's* all-in with A4?

The Don
12-10-2005, 07:56 PM
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Good push, easy call v. a 2+2er.

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Does this mean I shouldn't be calling *anybody's* all-in with A4?

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You should... easy call v. anyone.

SammyKid11
12-10-2005, 10:28 PM
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You should... easy call v. anyone.

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Only against a maniacal pushing range is this anything but a CLEAR fold. Even if he's pushing 22+, A2s+, A3o+, KTs+, KJo+, QJs+ (ie - a wide range), this is an easy fold. Button has to be pushing 35% of hands (22+, A2+, K5o+, K2s+, Q9o+, Q8s+, J9s+) for this to be a a +0.5% call. From the button, with almost 8xBB, I don't think you can give a random opponent this wide a pushing range very often.

Perhaps, given Scuba knew his opponent was a 2+2'er, this was a marginally decent call (and I'm sure that information is why he made the call). But, absent that information, I do believe this is a fold, gentlemen.

Scuba Chuck
12-10-2005, 10:41 PM
You didn't mention how much time I put into thinking about whether to call or not.

gildwulf
12-10-2005, 10:51 PM
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You didn't mention how much time I put into thinking about whether to call or not.

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Scuba will be using his time bank for this hand.

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splashpot
12-10-2005, 11:03 PM
Shouldn't Scuba assume that a 2+2er will push a larger range of hands? Thus making his likelihood of calling higher?

gildwulf
12-10-2005, 11:33 PM
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Good push, easy call v. a 2+2er.

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Does this mean I shouldn't be calling *anybody's* all-in with A4?

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You should... easy call v. anyone.

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This is not an easy call. It is definitely close.

Scuba Chuck
12-11-2005, 02:51 AM
FYI, if I put you on Maniac, it's 4.4% +EV
FYI, if I put you on Loose, it's 1.5% +EV
FYI, if I put you on Average, it's -0.5% -EV

As you can see, I don't have much respect for you /images/graemlins/cool.gif
<font color="white"> Just fcking with you, no disprect intended. </font>

Snarf
12-11-2005, 02:57 AM
good post Sammy....

Call me crazy but I hadn't realized A4 was an 'easy' call. I'd almost rather call K4 than Ace four. (If we're playing high card than my king might still be good - plus more people push aces than kings - meaning a higher percentage of the time I'm NOT a 3:1 dog.)

now I kinda suck....but I was shocked to see the agreement of A4 being an easy call there.

splashpot
12-11-2005, 02:58 AM
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FYI, if I put you on Maniac, it's 4.4% +EV
FYI, if I put you on Loose, it's 1.5% +EV
FYI, if I put you on Average, it's -0.5% -EV

As you can see, I don't have much respect for you /images/graemlins/cool.gif
<font color="white"> Just fcking with you, no disprect intended. </font>

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Apparently you do. Since a good player would be pushing a lot of hands here.

Snarf
12-11-2005, 03:02 AM
Heres a twist: If Scuba showed you his A4 .... who would still open push in the OP's position?

Bill Poker
12-11-2005, 04:57 AM
If scuba folded this hand, he only had 3.5BB left, barely had much FE in the next couple hands, especially his left two were 2nd big stack and a shorty.

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You should... easy call v. anyone.

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Only against a maniacal pushing range is this anything but a CLEAR fold. Even if he's pushing 22+, A2s+, A3o+, KTs+, KJo+, QJs+ (ie - a wide range), this is an easy fold. Button has to be pushing 35% of hands (22+, A2+, K5o+, K2s+, Q9o+, Q8s+, J9s+) for this to be a a +0.5% call. From the button, with almost 8xBB, I don't think you can give a random opponent this wide a pushing range very often.

Perhaps, given Scuba knew his opponent was a 2+2'er, this was a marginally decent call (and I'm sure that information is why he made the call). But, absent that information, I do believe this is a fold, gentlemen.

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