AKo simple i think

[obsidian]

Villain is very new to table.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>

[Subfallen]

my opinion is entirely contingent on your turn plan :P

[Spicymoose]

You might be behind here, and you definetly arn't getting a better hand to fold. I really don't like this. The only thing that could possibly make up for it is if you take the free turn card, but even then I don't like it. Let him bluff at you with his worse hands, and if he checks any street, you can bet.

[Subfallen]

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You might be behind here, and you definetly arn't getting a better hand to fold

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what about getting value from worse hands, balancing his play with big pairs, and discouraging future shot-taking by keeping that flop aggro up?

going into call-down mode is good if villian is a complete LAG-tard, yes. however, i think a key component of successful SH metagame is making it hard for opponents to steal your initiative on the flop.

pound pound pound.

[obsidian]

Yea, this is much of what I was thinking. I was about 90% sure that flop didn't do jack for him. He could have a flush draw, big overs, gutshot, or a pair. It's tough to put him on a range because the common person's stealing range from the CO is fairly large. I 3-bet to keep initiative, disquise my hand (as I would do this with many pairs as well), and fold out other 6-outers.

On the turn, I am betting most cards and calling a raise. If he raises I fold the river unimproved. Else I check behind the river.

i never play ak this aggressively, but i think i may start.

[Spicymoose]

What about calling the flop, and raising the turn?

[dave44]

The thing about this board is that nobody expects you to fold anything- it misses so many hands that its not a good board to bluff at. I think he's got an edge on you too often for you to 3-bet here. Calling down is my play.

[wheelz]

calling down (after the flop CR): 2.5 BB
3-betting the flop, betting the turn, checking the river UI (after the flop CR): 2 BB

you don't need to be overly concerned about getting CR'd on a 323 2 flush board here, but after you 3-bet him PF then 3-bet his flop CR he probably will be. even if he does have a PP your 3-bet probably slows him down, and therefore saves you 1 SB as opposed to calling down when you don't improve. if you do improve it possibly gains you 1 SB over calling down (if he calls your river bet when an A/K falls). there's a pretty good chance you have the best hand here. and then there's metagame. i don't always 3-bet here, but depending on your opponent i think it's sometimes the best way to go.

[dave44]

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calling down (after the flop CR): 2.5 BB
3-betting the flop, betting the turn, checking the river UI (after the flop CR): 2 BB

you don't need to be overly concerned about getting CR'd on a 323 2 flush board here, but after you 3-bet him PF then 3-bet his flop CR he probably will be. even if he does have a PP your 3-bet probably slows him down, and therefore saves you 1 SB as opposed to calling down when you don't improve. if you do improve it possibly gains you 1 SB over calling down (if he calls your river bet when an A/K falls). there's a pretty good chance you have the best hand here. and then there's metagame. i don't always 3-bet here, but depending on your opponent i think it's sometimes the best way to go.

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I'm convinced. Nice work. I doubt he's betting or raising again when he's behind, too, as long as you don't use this move too much.

[Victor]

i would never do this.

[Lmn55d]

mr. wheelz, what about those times that you get capped by a flush draw, 45, or some random hand? I don't think this is unlikely in 10/20. Also most of these guys are gonna bluff the river with 0% equity which adds some value to calling down. Against a passive opponent I do think your line is best. But the guy checkraised the flop...if he doesn't have us crushed how passive can he be?

[wheelz]

you're right, and i don't know that this is the best line here because of that. the guy is unknown, and he could very well cap with a draw or something random. which i should have maybe said in my original post. people were pretty quick to just want to call down though, i thought you should see that obsidian's line makes a lot of sense. calling down might be better here though.

although i don't think you're "crushed" very often at all.

[JMP300z]

I dont post here often. But this has always been my standard play. If they check the turn, decide if you want the free card or not. If they cap the flop, call, fold turn inimproved, call down if you hit.

-JP

[ArturiusX]

No way I'm pulling this without a read.