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12-10-2005, 10:03 AM

First hand at the table.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, Button Raises, Hero ?

AlmightyJay

12-10-2005, 10:32 AM

6:1 pot odds.. three 7s give you the nuts.. the 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif either gives someone a flush or sets up a redraw for a single spade.. and all four Qs give anyone with a K a higher straight. I think you can fold this. There's an example in SSH almost identical to this where they suggest folding the OESD on the flop.

ChuckyB

12-10-2005, 06:21 PM

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First hand at the table.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, Button Raises, Hero ? 

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You don't really have an OESD here. A Q will probably give you the 2nd-best straight...and with a two-flush already out there, you have just 3 7s to catch. Plus none of your suit is out there. In a cash game, fold it and forget it...especially with the bet and raise to you in an 11.5 SB pot.

Guthrie

12-10-2005, 06:56 PM

Fold like the French. You don't want to see a queen hit the board. There's a reason they call it the ignorant end of the straight.

And you don't want to see 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif either.

12-10-2005, 07:02 PM

Q probably won't help you and there is a black seven that will scare you (or scare your opponents /images/graemlins/smile.gif ). I fold though since I don't have an OESD (well I do, but I don't like at it as one).

DCWildcat

12-10-2005, 07:31 PM

Good fold.

bozlax

12-10-2005, 08:39 PM

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three 7s give you the nuts

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No, they don't.

bozlax

12-10-2005, 08:44 PM

Well, it's already been pointed out to you that you don't have a real OESD...you don't even really have the equivalent of a gutshot, since the 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif is dirty, and the other 3 7s don't give you a nut spade, anyway, so with only, maybe 1.5 or 2 outs, you fold.