Unethical to take advantage of a happy drunk?

[FlopComesBricks]

100+5 1 table tourney at the local club. Half the players are regulars the rest are unknowns. Payout is 60-25-15.

Anyway, I make it down to 3 players on the short stack. The chip leader is the happy drunk in question. I've played with him once before and he's an overall good natured guy but a poor player. Also completed wasted at this point.

When it gets down to 3 handed, he says to the other guy who he's kinda buddies with, "Once we bust this guy we'll chop and go hit the bars and snag some poooosy." I wasn't worried about collusion because these guys weren't softplaying each other at all.

So, I end up doubling-through the second player and then in about two hands he busts out when his all-in blind steal is called by the drunk.

At heads-up I've got about T4000 and the drunk has T16000 with blinds at 300-600. He's very aggressive player so I know he's gunna put me all-in every hand. I say to him casually, "So, we gunna chop 50/50 and get some pussy?" He thinks for about 2 seconds, shrugs and says, "Sure. Deal. Lets chop it up."

After that the drunk gets his money then dissapears. I hang around for the after tourney ring-game and get chastised by the other regulars for taking advantage of him. "How could I do that?" etc. Obviously it was not to my advantage to continue playing and he seemed more than happy to just chop, pocket his $430 and hit the nightclubs.

Opinions?

[henrikrh]

Tell the people ragging on you to STFU, they woulda taken the same deal without the blink of an eye. The drunk guy agreed and you agreed, that's all there was to it. It wasn't you that got him drunk, if it was that MIGHT be a bit unethical, but otherwise, [censored] it.

[tonypaladino]

Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

[Bulbarainey]

yea forget the regulars, no one made him get drunk

[SpaceAce]

You offered a deal and the drunk guy took it. Doesn't sound wrong to me.

SpaceAce

[chesspain]

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...he seemed more than happy to just chop, pocket his $430 and hit the nightclubs.


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Although you took the long way around in this post, you managed to answer your own question with the closing statment above.

[SenecaJim]

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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Exactly. Plus, might have done drunk the favor. His attnention span is shot and anxious to go drunk around some more or starts to come off high, your playing advantage could have ended up much more than his chip advantage. I call this chop a win/win.

[Randy_Refeld]

I don't see a problem wiht this as he seemed to understand the value of what he was dealing. There was a time when I said no to a deal the two players had agrred to. A hotel guest had bought intot a WSOP satellite without really understanding waht it was (she was a hotel guest, wanted to play and this is waht was starting, so she bought in wihtout concern for what the prizes were). In this first palce was a seat valued at over $2k and second place was the odd cash left over after the seat (about$200). When it got heads up the hotel guest had about 90% of the chips. The regular who was about to be blind out says "since you won't be here anyway how about if I just take the seat and you can take the money." I did not allow this deal as the hotel guest didn't understand the value of the seat etc. We explained to her that the seat was transferable and we knew people that would buy it from her. The hotel guest was very happy that she was about to get $2k instead of $200. Normally the casino should take no interest in teh outcome of a tournament, but they do have an obligation to protect anyone that doesn't understand the deal making process.

[timprov]

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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There are lots of ways of taking advantage that would be unethical. (Stealing his chips when he's not looking comes to mind.)

[Al_Capone_Junior]

I say that FCB just "outplayed" his drunk opponent on this one. Nothing unethical about it. Hey, if the drunk guy is buying, then it must be a seller's market. Sell it.

al

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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Exactly. Plus, might have done drunk the favor. His attnention span is shot and anxious to go drunk around some more or starts to come off high, your playing advantage could have ended up much more than his chip advantage. I call this chop a win/win.

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I agree. And screw those other hypocrites. It's not like you need them as friends right?

[SenecaJim]

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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There are lots of ways of taking advantage that would be unethical. (Stealing his chips when he's not looking comes to mind.)

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I would view stealing as an illegal action, not a circumstance. Other circumstance might be cash game and he is literally showing his cards. Not turning your head away or telling him to protect his hand, that is a different circumstance where advantage is still being taken. If he is raising with an Obvious looser cause he is drunk then reraising him is taking advantage. Is that unethical....please. If it is, I'm going to hell.

[CCx]

just because the guy is drunk and you may be concerned about the ethics police doesn't require you to start hating money - nice work... now go get some pussy!

[willie]

f them

if he wanted a better deal he could ask for one.

[AngusThermopyle]

A chop based on stacks would have been $530 - $320. So he gave you $100 in order to save time and in recognition that you had an edge over him, being sober (or maybe just less wasted) and a better player. A bit more than I think he should have given away, but not outrageous.

[haakee]

You offered a deal, he took it. I see nothing wrong with this.

[murellus]

your question is like asking if it's unethical to win a pot off of a drunk guy.....................

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

I would consider it unethical to NOT take advantage of the drunk. Poker is a predatory game, don't be a pussy.

[tonypaladino]

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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There are lots of ways of taking advantage that would be unethical. (Stealing his chips when he's not looking comes to mind.)

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I wouldn't view that as unethical at all. It's illegal and stupid and I wouldn't do it, but not because of ethics.

[jeffraider]

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A chop based on stacks would have been $530 - $320. So he gave you $100 in order to save time and in recognition that you had an edge over him, being sober (or maybe just less wasted) and a better player. A bit more than I think he should have given away, but not outrageous.

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Shouldn't it be $680-$170?

Marx would said this is wrong, But screw it, poker is war. and all in fair in love and war.

[Nomad84]

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A chop based on stacks would have been $530 - $320. So he gave you $100 in order to save time and in recognition that you had an edge over him, being sober (or maybe just less wasted) and a better player. A bit more than I think he should have given away, but not outrageous.

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Shouldn't it be $680-$170?

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If it plays out until the end it's only $600/$250. He figured it by calculating the split of the extra $350 that the winner gets. In other words, both players are guaranteed $250 now, so they are playing heads up for the other $350. 20% of $350 is $70, so with an 80/20 split in chips, it comes out to $280/$70 for the $350 prize difference. Add that to the $250 each is already guaranteed, and you get $530/$320.

[hfrog355]

Which one do you feel worse about:

1) Offering the drunk a fair deal he has every oppurtunity to reject.

2) Him putting you all in with 39o and busting your pocket 10s?

[AngusThermopyle]

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Shouldn't it be $680-$170?

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Well, since 2nd place is $250, you would have to be really drunk to take the short end of that deal.

[UATrewqaz]

100% a great idea. He offered the deal to someone else and you overhead and asked him and he said yes.

His idea, his drunkenness, his problem.

The other people in the room need to mind their own god damn business. Like they would have turned down the offer.

[augie00]

I would not hesitate to take advantage of a happy drunk. Those guys are so damn annoying at the poker table...

"HAHAHAHAHA. CAN YOU GUYS BELIEVE THIS RUN OF LUCK?!? I CAN'T LOSE!!! I'M SORRY SIR, I SUGGEST YOU FOLD. I AM GOING TO HIT MY 3 OUTER. OK I CALL, WHAT DO YOU GOT? THREE QUEENS? DAMN I HAD KING HIGH. OH WELL NICE HAND."

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Without readying your post: No, it is not, no matter what the circumstances.

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Yep yep.

ScottieK