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soah
12-09-2005, 10:47 PM
Hand was a few days ago so details are sketchy. 2/4 at Bodog. MP player limps, I raise right behind him to $18 with KK, unknown right behind me calls, all others fold. Flop J66 rainbow. I bet $30 and he calls. Turn is a 6. Pot is now around $100 and he has $300 left. I know nothing about him, but if he were a complete idiot or maniac I probably would have taken notice of it by now. What's my plan here? Am I looking to get my stack involved on this board, or am I folding if it reaches that point?

This is full ring so I am playing tight and have not done anything crazy during the time he's been around (I'm not sure how long that's been).

Woolygimp
12-09-2005, 11:00 PM
No reason to think your not ahead here. He's gotta think his 6's full of Jacks are good, so make him pay for it.

soah
12-09-2005, 11:06 PM
I'm usually ahead. But as with any poker hand, the bigger the pot becomes, the less likely it is that I'm ahead. This is the ultimate in drawless boards and there's still a lot of money left, so I need a plan to maximize EV.

Ghazban
12-09-2005, 11:29 PM
I've never played on Bodog so I don't know what the average player on there is like. You get looked up a ton on boards like this by naked jacks or even smaller pocket pairs on Party (so long as no ace hits on the river). Sometimes you run into jacks full or quads but I think you get paid by those other hands often enough to make it worthwhile to get as much in as you can.

Was this full ring or shorthanded? Full ring, I tend to be a little more conservative because the play is generally tighter across the board.

12-09-2005, 11:29 PM
I think I'd go broke in this spot if he had me beat. Statistically, he's far more likely to have a lone J than AA, JJ, or the case 6. I think it's even more likely given the cold call of the pre-flop raise. Would he do that with AA or any hand with a 6 in it? You're right that you're more likely to be beat as more money goes into the pot, but I still don't see how you could ever be sure enough that you're beat to justify folding.

soah
12-09-2005, 11:46 PM
It was full ring (nine-handed).

Typical players at Bodog play too many hands and are generally pretty weak. Most of them can read hands at least moderately well (or at least they understand that the more money their opponent puts in, the better their hand is), but they still make fundamental errors (calling raises with dominated hands, betting with hands that should be checked, and failing to protect hands with adequate bets).

aggie
12-10-2005, 12:33 AM
No way, no how am i getting off this hand....If he checks to you on the turn bet $75 and get the rest in on the river (or make some kind of value bet)....If he bets the turn possibly just call and get them in on the river (ie...try not to blow him off a J)

Wayfare
12-10-2005, 12:52 AM
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I'm usually ahead. But as with any poker hand, the bigger the pot becomes, the less likely it is that I'm ahead. This is the ultimate in drawless boards and there's still a lot of money left, so I need a plan to maximize EV.

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Actually, in general, the bigger the pot becomes, the more likely I feel I am ahead /images/graemlins/smile.gif

soah
12-10-2005, 01:17 AM
Not if your range of hands remains constant. =P

aggie - I am out of position. That's why this hand is so enjoyable.

scdavis0
12-10-2005, 01:38 AM
I'd probably bet the turn and then go for a river check-raise as long as a Q->A doesn't hit.

soah
12-10-2005, 04:27 PM
I bet $65 or something on the turn. He went all-in. I called. He had JJ. Wasn't sure if this was tilt or just a hand that I'm supposed to go broke on.

octop
12-10-2005, 04:48 PM
who was the villian

soah
12-10-2005, 05:43 PM
I have no idea.

scdavis0
12-10-2005, 06:13 PM
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I bet $65 or something on the turn. He went all-in. I called. He had JJ. Wasn't sure if this was tilt or just a hand that I'm supposed to go broke on.

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you must have been on crazy monkey tilt!!!

going broke with KK on a J666 board!!!

soah
12-10-2005, 06:22 PM
At one point I was down five buy-ins in that session. The question was not whether I tilted off some money, the question was which hands were tilt and which were unavoidable. (I did lose some big pots where my money went in way ahead so it's not quite as bad as it sounds.)

-Skeme-
12-10-2005, 06:40 PM
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a hand that I'm supposed to go broke on.

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