View Full Version : Dear Lee Jones; Volume II
Exitonly
12-09-2005, 08:45 PM
Thuoght maybe we could get a list of requests together, the last one worked well.
Couple things i would like to see:
- Auto add-on in rebuuy tournaments. OR a popup saying it's time to addon. ok, maybe i'm the only one that's stupid and forgets it all the time, but it would be most appreciated.
- Time bank restored for FT. See this happen kinda often that people complain about having no timebank by the time it's at the FT. It would be nice if it was restored so you could have it for your most important decisions.
- 150/300 level
what would you guys like to see?
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Time bank restored for FT. See this happen kinda often that people complain about having no timebank by the time it's at the FT. It would be nice if it was restored so you could have it for your most important decisions.
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I like this a lot.
auto add on button in the options menu
benneh
12-09-2005, 08:49 PM
I also had tons I wanted, but can't think of anything right now.
Your two ideas are pretty clutch though. Particularly the timebank.
yvesaint
12-09-2005, 08:52 PM
150/300 level
resizable tables
no observer chat during deal making
Send the 20 percent payout structure out the door with a dont come back sign on its booty for all the minbuy MTTs, though i don't mind it as much for the deepstack as it IS trying to resemble a ME type of tourney.
I like the FT time bank idea. Though I've only made 4 this year (cause I'm mostly a donkey still /images/graemlins/wink.gif)I remember 1 of them being a little tougher as i had used my whole bank earlier in the tourney when I suddenly had to urinate with 28 minutes to the break /images/graemlins/frown.gif. I know this may be too much info for some, but it just shows there are TONS of reasons why that precious time could be gone by the FT when you are actually playing for decent money.
3...could you make the raw hand histories a little easier to read? It would be great if you set them up the way you can get them to look on here.
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no observer chat during deal making
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Though i imagine this would be hard to implant.
A_C_Slater
12-09-2005, 09:01 PM
150/300 level
get rid of 20% payout.
More 6 max tournaments.
Some cash game heads up limit hold em tables for all limits.
2-7, A-5, and 5 card draw cash games and tournaments.
- 10% payouts for all tournaments if it's feasible.
- Feeder Satellites to the bigger daily tourneys (not only the sunday $215, but like the daily 150's or 100's would be cool)
reecelights
12-09-2005, 09:06 PM
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I remember 1 of them being a little tougher as i had used my whole bank earlier in the tourney when I suddenly had to urinate with 28 minutes to the break /images/graemlins/frown.gif.
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Two words: Wireless Laptop
yvesaint
12-09-2005, 09:08 PM
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no observer chat during deal making
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Though i imagine this would be hard to implant.
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not really, do something like what party does and open an "empty" table where only the people making the deal can chat on
or do whatever they do that stops chat during the bubble of satellites
M.B.E.
12-09-2005, 09:10 PM
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- Auto add-on in rebuuy tournaments. OR a popup saying it's time to addon. ok, maybe i'm the only one that's stupid and forgets it all the time, but it would be most appreciated.
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Great idea. I'd say in about 10% of the rebuy tournaments I play I forget to add on. Generally because the hand ends at my table and the rebuy period hasn't started yet so I go surf the web or whatever and then just forget about adding on; can also happen when multitabling. Maybe it should just allow add-ons as soon as the hand is finished at your table. Alternatively, a pop-up when there is 2 minutes left in the add-on period, for those players who have not yet added on, would work well.
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- Time bank restored for FT. See this happen kinda often that people complain about having no timebank by the time it's at the FT. It would be nice if it was restored so you could have it for your most important decisions.
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Good idea; I have some other ideas of how the time bank system could be improved. Basically I think that time should be added to your time bank each hour, but then maxed out at some point.
For example, instead of starting the tournament with 60 seconds in the time bank, I think it would be better to start with 30 seconds, and then have 20 seconds added at each break, but never to exceed 90 seconds total.
M.B.E.
12-09-2005, 09:20 PM
-Fix the blind movement to have a dead-button system the same as in b&m tournaments. It's just ridiculous that you can skip your big blind when the player on your right busts out when you're UTG.
-Add more information to the hand history of tournament hands: total players remaining, total chips in play, and perhaps the current rank of the player requesting the hand history (or maybe the current rank of all players at the table).
-The rebuy process can be frustrating. For example, suppose you start the hand with 1550 chips, post your big blind of 100, and someone raises, someone else calls, and you fold. Now that you are under 1500 you should be able to rebuy immediately. But the software doesn't let you: you have to wait until the hand is completed even though you are not in the hand.
-Also there should be a double-rebuy button when you have 0 chips.
-The "feature" of disabling chat when a player is all-in is incredibly annoying. I'm not really convinced that it is necessary to prevent collusion or whatever. I'd say that the negative aspects of this feature far outweigh any true increase in game integrity. At the very least, your chat should not just disappear into the ether, but be stored and then appear in the chat box after the hand (when it can't do any "harm").
Melchiades
12-09-2005, 09:28 PM
- 150/300 level
- get rid of 20% payout
- resizable tables
durron597
12-09-2005, 09:29 PM
More turbo cash MTTs. Right now there is one at 3 PM and one at 10:39 PM, and both of them are $5.50s. Maybe like a $22 at 6 PM?
M.B.E.
12-09-2005, 09:34 PM
Could probably do a few things to attract more players to the weekly $200+15 Limit Omaha-8 tourney. For example:
-put a guarantee on the prize pool, something like $30K
-run more low-buyin satellites; I'd suggest a $6.50 turbo doubleshootout where the last two players at the final table each get a $215 entry.
Melchiades
12-09-2005, 09:37 PM
- Satelites to daily NL 150
Tom Bayes
12-09-2005, 09:41 PM
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150/300 level
get rid of 20% payout.
2-7, A-5, and 5 card draw cash games and tournaments.
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- Satelites to daily NL 150
i'm sure you're aware that you can turn off observor chat. Why would they fix something you can do yourself already?
yvesaint
12-09-2005, 10:08 PM
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i'm sure you're aware that you can turn off observor chat. Why would they fix something you can do yourself already?
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i dont want observer chat to affect my opponents deal-making decisions
Exitonly
12-09-2005, 10:15 PM
- More regular big buyin tournaments. More 100's and 150's throughout the day.
- Satelites to the nightly 150. Stick a guarantee on it, attract lots of people like the party Supers.
billyjex
12-09-2005, 10:16 PM
stars needs more decent buy in tournaments ($50+) for west coast insomniacs.
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- More regular big buyin tournaments. More 100's and 150's throughout the day.
- Satelites to the nightly 150. Stick a guarantee on it, attract lots of people like the party Supers.
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While we're at it supers to the Saturday $320. Structure is great but probaly to expensive to ever get 200+ direct buy ins
KneeCo
12-09-2005, 10:33 PM
- auto add-on (no exit, you aren't alone).
- ditch the 20% payouts.
- I think it would be cool (and fair) if Deep Stack tournaments awarded more TLB points than regular tournaments.
- some kind of call button for support for Ft chops instead of the email system (everyone has to press it, once support is called the tournament is paused).
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-Fix the blind movement to have a dead-button system the same as in b&m tournaments. It's just ridiculous that you can skip your big blind when the player on your right busts out when you're UTG.
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Agreed. This isn't just a convenience thing; the current way that Poker Stars deals with this gives players an unfair advantage and it can be easily avoided.
120-man SnGs of varying buy-ins. I want $5.50s and $11s, and I know tons of people on this site want $55s and $109s.
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- some kind of call button for support for Ft chops instead of the email system (everyone has to press it, once support is called the tournament is paused).
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Yeah... this is a great idea. There should be a button that requires everyone to press it that pauses the tournament and a button that only needs one press that calls support.
gumpzilla
12-09-2005, 11:11 PM
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Agreed. This isn't just a convenience thing; the current way that Poker Stars deals with this gives players an unfair advantage and it can be easily avoided.
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How is it unfair? Everybody is equally likely to suffer from it, right? By the same argument, I can say it's unfair that one player gets dealt aces 4 times in a stretch of 100 hands while I don't see them at all. The way poker is played there is a lot of stuff that's inherently unfair in this sense because it's a game of tremendous luck. I don't see why the BB getting skipped should be a big issue, though I'm open to persuasion if somebody wants to make a strong case.
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Agreed. This isn't just a convenience thing; the current way that Poker Stars deals with this gives players an unfair advantage and it can be easily avoided.
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How is it unfair? Everybody is equally likely to suffer from it, right? By the same argument, I can say it's unfair that one player gets dealt aces 4 times in a stretch of 100 hands while I don't see them at all. The way poker is played there is a lot of stuff that's inherently unfair in this sense because it's a game of tremendous luck. I don't see why the BB getting skipped should be a big issue, though I'm open to persuasion if somebody wants to make a strong case.
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I know... I didn't know how to word that. I guess I should just say that it increases luck and decreases skill in the tournament.
hudat
12-09-2005, 11:39 PM
150-300 level!!
Turbo tourneys where your hand is folded after 15 seconds, no warning, no timebank. It would be a true Turbo then.
All I ask is for a 6-max deep stacked tournament.
I would kill somebody to play in that.
I'm unoriginal:
Get rid of those [censored] stupid 20% payout structures!
Add 150/300/25 level.
Get rid of those [censored] stupid 20% payout structures!
Sounds silly, but maybe a $1 rebuy/$5K gurantee. I know they have the $3 rebuy, but for me, at least, there's a huge difference, as the $1 rebuy would be just right for my BR and the $3 rebuy is too high for me.
Get rid of those [censored] stupid 20% payout structures!
Oh, and get rid of those [censored] stupid 20% payout structures!
beenben
12-10-2005, 12:44 AM
Here, here Exit. Like both your ideas. Here's my rebuy idea:
allow players with 500 or fewer chips during the add-on period to dump those 500 chips so that they can double double rebuy and add-on, and allow those with 2000 or fewer to dump enough chips to get down to 1500 so that they can single rebuy and add-on. This is for those situations where a player had 1545 in chips and went all in on the last hand and lost and now can only get to 3545- a tremendous disadvantage.
Also, allow rebuys during the add-on period. If you're at the last table to break, and lose a hand, you can't rebuy; while players at tables that broke earlier can rebuy while waiting for the break to start.
Triple Draw
Ability to Change your avatar more than once
Do more advertising to bring in more bad players
Jeremy517
12-10-2005, 01:03 AM
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- Time bank restored for FT. See this happen kinda often that people complain about having no timebank by the time it's at the FT. It would be nice if it was restored so you could have it for your most important decisions.
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Seems to me that it should be reset more often than that. Maybe every break or every other break?
A daily $30 NL Holdem deep stack tourney at the usual 18:15.
add the 150/300 level... hate PStar's level jumps. I think there's more levels that could be added besides just this one.
Throw out the 20% payout... I feel a 15% in tourneys with over 1000 people or 2000 people might be appreciated but the normal 10% is fine by me.
Auto addon would be appreciated... so I don't have to wait for break to start.
You can ask PS support to turn off viewer chat when they come to the final table... will turn it off for whole table not just you.
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Triple Draw
Ability to Change your avatar more than once
Do more advertising to bring in more bad players
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You can change your avatar whenever you want, just takes like a day to process through.
CardSharpCook
12-10-2005, 01:30 AM
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All I ask is for a 6-max deep stacked tournament.
I would really like to play in that.
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(I can't stand violence)
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Triple Draw
Ability to Change your avatar more than once
Do more advertising to bring in more bad players
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You can change your avatar whenever you want, just takes like a day to process through.
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How come it always says "Please choose your new image carefully, you will not be allowed to change it again."???
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Triple Draw
Ability to Change your avatar more than once
Do more advertising to bring in more bad players
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You can change your avatar whenever you want, just takes like a day to process through.
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How come it always says "Please choose your new image carefully, you will not be allowed to change it again."???
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yea I don't know why it says that, but you can definitely change it.. I changed mine recently, I know exit also changed his from the TC NJ thing .
technically you are allowed your inital image and then one more change. However if you email them they may let you change it again. A lot of the big names change it over and over again and stars lets them because they contribute so much to the site.
-Gardock
After seeing some people wanting a 2-7 and A-5 games. I think a HORSE tourney once a week would get a good amount of intrest. It would probably do best in a deep stack tourney where the game changed every 1/2 hour with the limits.
I'm not sure of the normal stucture for one of these tourneys but would like to play in one and have never found a place that offered one.
Exitonly
12-10-2005, 02:57 AM
gamesgrid has horse tournaments. oh. And Full Tilt
but it'd be sweeeet if Stars did too.
Matador225
12-10-2005, 03:09 AM
Can't believe no one has mentioned sharks with laser beams yet.
ahh okay that makes sense since i've changed it once now. thanks for the clarification.
Patrick Duffy
12-10-2005, 03:14 AM
How about a little red light that comes on letting me know my opponent will catch a runner-runner flush if i go all in? No? Ah well...
ansky451
12-10-2005, 07:48 AM
Lee Jones has discussed draw games before, at the moment with their software its impossible he said.
As for everything else, I'd like a 150/300 level too, and my big thing would be satellites into the 150's to make them big and fishy.
Also, 180 person SNGs w/ higher buy ins, (50s-150s).
Sam T.
12-10-2005, 10:08 AM
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- 10% payouts for all tournaments if it's feasible.
- Feeder Satellites to the bigger daily tourneys (not only the sunday $215, but like the daily 150's or 100's would be cool)
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Yah, UB has the TEC tournies. I think they're mostly SnGs but I like the idea of a $10-15 sat for $W
Melchiades
12-10-2005, 10:16 AM
$20 STT sat for the 150. 2 table $10 sat for the 150. $10-$20 MTT sat to the 150. Lots of possibilities.
La Brujita
12-10-2005, 10:41 AM
Adding and repeating as others:
1. sats to nightly 162s
2. more big limit he tournaments
3. better blind structure (I play 90% of multis at Party partly because of blind structure)
4. 180 person sit and gos at higher buyins
5. more 100k freerolls like party does
ansky451
12-10-2005, 11:04 AM
Ehhhhh, Party isn't really better anymore. Stars has 800/1600 now, and there are quite a few more levels late on.
At final tables on party the avg M is way lower than stars, and still can be something of a push-fest even shorthanded and heads up.
Oh yeah. Also, uncap the blinds.
ansky451
12-10-2005, 11:12 AM
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Oh yeah. Also, uncap the blinds.
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I disagree.
MrBrightside
12-10-2005, 11:22 AM
well, my #1 is move to a dead button. I posted a poll about it (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=3493994&page=0&fpart=all &vc=1) results were not overwhelming, but most wanted it.
Almost as big a deal to me, however, would be a flatter payout structure. I think the 20% is an attempt, but a poor one. I don't care about getting a few dollars when finishing 200th in a 1000-person tourney. I do think that 65% of the prize pool going to the final 9 is ridiculous. I guess the 20% structure is flatter as well, with 45% of the pool to the ft. but I would ditch the 20% and just flatten the money a little among the 10%.
La Brujita
12-10-2005, 11:22 AM
Agree at final table but if you play the 215s side by side the money is much deeper at party as you progress pretty deep into the tournament, by a significant factor.
Unfortunately Party then becomes crap at end.
mshalen
12-10-2005, 11:44 AM
fantastic idea
McMelchior
12-10-2005, 11:58 AM
Mr. Jones, regarding the 20% pay out structure please DON'T LISTEN to the posters above.
20% pay out is one of the best initiatives lately to keep tournament poker profitable for us, that belongs to the vast majority of mediocre players.
20% outs is a great incentive to keep everybody playing - a chance for even the most inexperienced (poor) players to cash just once in a while and keep it interesting for them to continue buying in.
20% tournaments are a great initiative to keep the tournament poker expanding with a rate high enough to make it profitable for more than the top 5% - 10% of the players.
Who ever don't like them still have a ton of 10% tournaments to buy in to.
LET'S KEEP THOSE 20% PAY OUT TOURNAMENTS - PLEASE
Best,
McMelchior (Johan)
ansky451
12-10-2005, 12:42 PM
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Almost as big a deal to me, however, would be a flatter payout structure. I think the 20% is an attempt, but a poor one. I don't care about getting a few dollars when finishing 200th in a 1000-person tourney. I do think that 65% of the prize pool going to the final 9 is ridiculous. I guess the 20% structure is flatter as well, with 45% of the pool to the ft. but I would ditch the 20% and just flatten the money a little among the 10%.
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I disagree.
I like the fact that 15th place is a meaninglessly small prize.
ansky451
12-10-2005, 12:44 PM
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Agree at final table but if you play the 215s side by side the money is much deeper at party as you progress pretty deep into the tournament, by a significant factor.
Unfortunately Party then becomes crap at end.
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Yes I've noticed this as well about the higher buy ins. But the regular 100s on both sites are just better on stars.
The supers however have 20 minute levels, which is way better than the stars 150s.
I wish UB had more players + not such a horrid interface (obviously a matter of opinion). Their structure for the 100s is ridiculously good. Actually ridiculous.
MrBrightside
12-10-2005, 12:48 PM
I just don't get this... I play a 2000 person, $10 tourney.. for 10th place, I would get $100. (10-18th get .50%). For 6ht place, I would get $480. So I beat out 1990 people, I get 10x my buy in, but If I beat out 1994 people, I get 48x my buy in?
Incidentally, it's absurd that 10th -18th in a tourney of 2000 people get the same amount (plus, it makes for more hand for hand play, which is frustrating).
Melchiades
12-10-2005, 12:54 PM
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(plus, it makes for more hand for hand play, which is frustrating).
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Please explain.
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(plus, it makes for less hand for hand play, which is good).
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FYP
MrBrightside
12-10-2005, 01:03 PM
If you have blocks of prize money the same. (i.e.e, 10th 18th the same), then you have a block of hand to hand play before it. If it was graduated, as I think it should be, you wouldn't have hand to hand. The problem is, you'd probably have stallers then. I don't really like hand to hand.
cocofrite
12-10-2005, 01:33 PM
Rakeback
bobman0330
12-10-2005, 05:24 PM
Fix turbo satellites. The stalling at the bubble is positively disgusting. If I were PS, I'd be ashamed that some of my games were playing in a way that's borderline unfair.
AtlBrvs4Life
12-10-2005, 06:02 PM
More large($100-$500) buy-in deep stack tournaments. I can't seem to bring myself to join one of these $33 deep stacks and play for 12 hours.
TomHimself
12-10-2005, 06:39 PM
wats this 500$ 100k added? interesting
ansky451
12-10-2005, 07:37 PM
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If you have blocks of prize money the same. (i.e.e, 10th 18th the same), then you have a block of hand to hand play before it. If it was graduated, as I think it should be, you wouldn't have hand to hand. The problem is, you'd probably have stallers then. I don't really like hand to hand.
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hand for hand when its 3 tables or 2 tables really really isn't that bad.
and there would be an absurd amount of stallers if it was constantly graduated.
ansky451
12-10-2005, 07:39 PM
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I just don't get this... I play a 2000 person, $10 tourney.. for 10th place, I would get $100. (10-18th get .50%). For 6ht place, I would get $480. So I beat out 1990 people, I get 10x my buy in, but If I beat out 1994 people, I get 48x my buy in
Incidentally, it's absurd that 10th -18th in a tourney of 2000 people get the same amount (plus, it makes for more hand for hand play, which is frustrating).
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Welcome to tournament poker. Everywhere.
MrBrightside
12-10-2005, 08:44 PM
I agree about the absurd stallers. It's probably a necessary evil. But I don't see why hand for hand and block payments for 10-18th go together. You could do hand for hand and still have graduated payments there.
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