Two 3-flush hands I didn't like

[blumpkin22]

Hand 1: Seat 3 is solid, Seat 8 is a fish.

Hand 2: previously in the session I limp reraised with rolled 555. Seats 5 and 7 are both mediocre but thinking players.

7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (converter (http://j.1asphost.com/greenage))

3rd Street - (0.60 SB)

Hero: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif___completes___calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif___raises___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls___raises

4th Street - (9.85 SB)

Hero: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets

5th Street - (6.43 BB)

Hero: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls
Seat 3: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets

6th Street - (9.43 BB)

Hero: 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/spade.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls___folds
Seat 3: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif___checks___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___bets___calls

River - (14.43 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif xx___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 7/images/graemlins/club.gif 6/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/club.gif 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif xx___calls

Total pot: (16.43 BB)

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7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (converter (http://j.1asphost.com/greenage))

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Hero: 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif___calls___raises
Seat 3: xx xx K/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/club.gif___completes___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif___brings-in___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds

4th Street - (6.95 SB)

Hero: 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls

5th Street - (4.98 BB)

Hero: 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif___calls

6th Street - (7.98 BB)

Hero: 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif___bets
Seat 5: xx xx 8/images/graemlins/club.gif T/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___calls

River - (9.98 BB)

Hero: 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif 4/images/graemlins/club.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif xx___?

[preiserone]

I change nothing,
Hand 1 you've got to be drawing to a 2 out at best on 6th, nothing you can do about that.
Hand 2 there isn't really a spot where you should be backing off, you have to try the river bluff.

On hand 1, I'm folding 3rd after the 2 re-raises. Getting raised by an over card while you're on a 3 flush doesn't seem like a good spot to me. Even if seat 8 is a fish, I'd be worried about rolled 7s. I'd fold and wait for an other hand.

[blumpkin22]

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Even if seat 8 is a fish, I'd be worried about rolled 7s.

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No reason to fear rolled 7s here. But that doesn't mean the call on 3rd is necessarily best.

[benwood]

Betting out on 4th is the standard play with a four flush,so when you bet out on 5th,your deception is not too strong.This line propels you right into the 6th st.& river bets.I think I would have played it the same way,butI wonder what would have happened if you ad checked 4th?This may have been the more deceptive play,but I don't know whether it's a good play or not.

[blumpkin22]

In my opinion the way I played third street mandates a bet on fourth street, especially since I caught a good card.

[benwood]

Yea,I'm not saying you played it wrong,because I think you played it right.

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No reason to fear rolled 7s here.

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Why not?

[benwood]

I just now realized that you raised 3rd on this first hand.You're right .Not betting 4th is out of the question in this case.Jeez,it seems like I'm always misreading the problem on your hands.

[blumpkin22]

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No reason to fear rolled 7s here.

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Why not?

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The guy is an idiot. And I was almost positive he would slowplay rolled up trips. It was pretty clear his most likely hand was a big pair in the hole, or even something like (A7)7.

[blumpkin22]

Hand 1: Seat 3 bet the river and Seat 8 called. Seat 3 won with the heart flush and Seat 8 mucked pocket kings.

Hand 2: Villain folded the river and I won the pot with no showdown.

Too bad no one found these hands interesting. I think it's because BeerMoney is too busy multi-tabling STT's and Jeffage is in Vegas.

[Jeffage]

In Vegas as we speak (in a meeting right now so I'll keep this short).

Hand 1

Easy fold on 3rd when it comes back to you for two more. And I don't think it's close.

Hand 2

Sure, looks good to me.

BTW, the Hold Em games out here are phenomenal to the point of absurdity so I've played no stud thus far. I may check out 50-100 stud tonight, but not sure. It has a $10 ante btw (not 5 as reported previously) and it looked quite loose on observation. Be back posting more on Thursday but I'll have some access to Internet the next few days.

Later.

Jeff