An Army story

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The biggest dick move got me thinking and I hadn't remembered this for a long time. I don't really think it classifies as a dick move although probably not the best decisions were made.

When I was stationed in Korea I shared a room with 3 guys one of them one of them Brian, was really cool and my best friend, the other dan was really weird and not cool.

one time me brian and another friend mccalin came into the room and dan quickly went into the bathroom and then after a brief amount of time took off. Well a few minutes later I notice there is one of my movies in my VCR. My TV/VCR is set up directly across from bed in a way which can only be viewed by sitting on my bed.

I look at the movie and it was like some horror movie I had and Mclain chimes in with "I bet he was beating off on your bed and its at the shower scene" well I pop the movie in and low and behold its on the [censored] shower scene.

This is disturbing to me.

Well we get to talking and one thing leads to another and we start to wonder about old Dan. So we search his locker which he didnt lock it, Im gueessing from being in such a hurry. First thing we find is stack of old porn magazines no big deal.

Next thing we find are some photographs. Now not just any photographs but pics of a young girl probably 12ish sitting on some steps in shorts. only she has the shorts pulled inward at the groin so you can see here bare pussy. well now we're at a whole another level.

next we find a unmarked video tape. we play it.

scene one - is of 3 girls being filmed in what looks like a hotel swimming pool from behind some bushes. it lasts for about 10 minutes.

scene 2 starts in the dark. then the person holding the camera obviously turns on a flash light and what do we see. A rather large woman sleeping on a couch under a blanket. Well mr. cameraman slowly lifts away the blanket revealing a now completely naked rather large middle aged woman. it doesnt stop there oh no. the camera an seemingly puts the flashlight in his mouth and starts to play with what we assume is passed out naked rather large middle aged woman. this goes on for 2-5 minutes tops.

scene 3 starts with our roommate Dan sitting on a large bed, being filmed. He then quickly pulls down his shors and beats off right there on camera. He finishes in some toilet paper with some very animated facial expressions, pulls up his shorts and turns the camera off.

well we don't really know what to do at this point. tell our superiors? do nothing? give him [censored]? oh no. we take it to a next level. now most Army barracks will have what is called a rec room which is basically a unit family room with usually a large TV, VCR and something like a pool table.

now in korea with nothing much to do people love to watch movies and will pop anything in that old VCR. so we head on down and when nobody is looking put that thing smack dad on top of the VCR, fast forwarded right to scene 3. It's a Saturday so just about everyone is on free time.

well what do you know but not 4 hours later there is a big commotion a brewing and the tape is being played again and again while more and more people are being brought in.

well it turns out this probably wasnt the best idea as not two days later Dan killed himself.

[Alobar]

wow

edited to add: wow

[Vavavoom]

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later Dan killed himself

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OH MY GOD !!!

WOWOWOWOWOWOWW !!!

That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

Sorry .... But that is the most vindictive and horrible thing I have ever heard...

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The biggest dick move got me thinking and I hadn't remembered this for a long time. I don't really think it classifies as a dick move although probably not the best decisions were made.


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Sorry I should have added this to my original post.....

But I can't believe that you are not haunted by the fact that your actions caused someone to take their own life..

He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL.....You are with your mate....and you think he's wierd anyway....So u expose his fragility by exposing him to all of his peers in a foreign country....

U should be ashamed....and if this was me - I would have never told anyone of this story ever....

jesus

by far the biggest dick move on this forum. nothing is even close to this, as no one has inadvertantly (sp?) killed someone. I have to ask....do you feel bad? He was obviously [censored] up, and I can only see myself feeling bad for maybe....half a year?


edited to say of course you felt bad, i guess i was asking if you still feel as bad now as you did then.

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[craig r]

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by far the biggest dick move on this forum. nothing is even close to this, as no one has inadvertantly (sp?) killed someone. I have to ask....do you feel bad? He was obviously [censored] up, and I can only see myself feeling bad for maybe....half a year?


edited to say of course you felt bad, i guess i was asking if you still feel as bad now as you did then.

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When we found out I and probably we were more worried about the coming [censored] storm and how bad we were [censored]. thanks to our friend David who was like blarq in that he knew everything we ended up not getting in trouble at all.

I feel bad yes but being in the Army at the time I don't its hard to explain but I never had time to dwell on it for the next 3 years.

[NLSoldier]

[censored],
for some reason i think ive seen a pic of you and you didnt strike me as the military type at all. also, i can see where being in the military would probably desensitize you to the fact taht this guy killed himself.

best wishes,
nl

[Stuey]

We I guess I'm just heartless. I don't feel bad for him and I don't think you did anything wrong.

[BCPVP]

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That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

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Did you breeze over the part where the guy had child porn? No way I'd want some sick pervert like that to have my back if [censored] hit the fan.

Serves Dan right. Hope Hell's comfy for him.

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[censored],
for some reason i think ive seen a pic of you and you didnt strike me as the military type at all. also, i can see where being in the military would probably desensitize you to the fact taht this guy killed himself.

best wishes,
nl

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the truth is I wasn't the military type at all. I did fine, never got in much trouble and moved up nicely (mostly because there are alot of people who can't really follow directions) but it wasn't a good fit. I got depressed a lot not from that but because it's not a thinking man's profession at least at the lower enlisted level. strange times. I met a few really cool guys though which made it better.

[housenuts]

that's a horrible story and i am very open minded...and in the army as well...i'm kind of hoping that story isn't true.

As someone who's served, I saw my fair share of complete psychopaths, fake homosexuals, and all kinds of assorted nutjobs, and I would say without a doubt that [censored] didnt cause him to kill himself.

As someone who survived basic training after my gf sent a picture of me and her going at it, which was then blown up and framed in my barracks, take it from me, he could have lived that down.

[housenuts]

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I met a few really cool guys though which made it better.

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this is what it's all about. without meeting good dudes it's nothing but a bunch of crap

I can't understand why he should feel bad. Would you kill yourself just because your roomates saw you beat off?

You can't be responsible for other people's mental problems. This guy was obviously screwed up.

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That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

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Did you breeze over the part where the guy had child porn? No way I'd want some sick pervert like that to have my back if [censored] hit the fan.

Serves Dan right. Hope Hell's comfy for him.

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Yeah we sort of felt this way as well somewhat. Not the having our backs part as it just wasn't something we worried about but he was into child porn and those were actual polaroid pics not something from a magazine. plus scene 1 & 2 were pretty creepy as well. Basically we decided we wasn't the best person.

Brian took it the hardest probably because he was the oldest at 23 and was married. I was 19 and McClain was probably 20.

[Evan]

Wow, that is some wild [censored]!

[Vavavoom]

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Did you breeze over the part where the guy had child porn? No way I'd want some sick pervert like that to have my back if [censored] hit the fan.

Serves Dan right. Hope Hell's comfy for him.


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I read that as 12 pics....not 12 yrs old...

In that case....As from the Gary Glitter thread...I have no problems with this....

Move along now - Nothing to see !!

Although, the humiliation of being caught filming yourself jerking off is not comparable to a picture of you and your g/f getting freaky....

[Censored] I take the original slating back as I missed the Child porn reference....

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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I cant imagine beating it on those blankets, god, you'd get a damn rash.

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Although, the humiliation of being caught filming yourself jerking off is not comparable to a picture of you and your g/f getting freaky....


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I dont know, it was pretty bad, thor the flesh hammer was exposed and all... of course, all the "female warriors" looked at me differently after taht.

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I can't understand why he should feel bad. Would you kill yourself just because your roomates saw you beat off?

You can't be responsible for other people's mental problems. This guy was obviously screwed up.

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Admitedly, i don't feel sorry for this guy. But i also couldn't just blow him off saying "ahh well, he was a [censored] up dude anyway."

edit: I really think he killed himself not just because people saw him beating off. I mean, all guys beat off, especially when you in the military and are without your gal for a while. I think he assumed cause you had that tape, everyone new about the kiddie porn and other [censored] as well.

edit 2: does everyone type the word [censored] or do they just say the f word when addressing [censored]?

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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I cant imagine beating it on those blankets, god, you'd get a damn rash.

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Yeah it kind of worked out though because mine went in a trash bag and to the bottom of my wall locker till it was time to turn it in. I ended up buying some satin delux super comforter in the local korean town for something like $10. It stayed with me during my entire service and I never had to use one of the god awful things again. I guess a thanks Dan would be appropriate.

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He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL

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Just to clarify he was jerking off in my bed. That's pretty different. I mean you're only issued one wool blanket man.

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I guess my knowledge of Army conditions is very limited... However, would u really be offended and put out by someone jerking off in your bed...?

The one blanket thing does put it into another perspective....? However, this whole situation probably happens a lot more than I would imagine...

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Just to finish the story up.

We didn't see him at the weekend, and Sunday both me a Brian were like WTF and sort of worried. He was AWOL Monday morning and we were both like oh [censored] oh [censored].

By Lunch time our room was taped off and all his [censored] was taken out and we found out he hung himself in the bathroom of another barracks. One of his friends or something was in that unit.

I don't think I could get across how freaked out we were. We had to talk to CID seperately (criminal investigations division) and we told the whole story except we changed it to so the tape in my VCR was his masturbating/molesting/stalking tape. figuring that since he had left it within my property we couldn't get busted for taking it. Nothing ended up happening to us but also nothing was ever said to us about the child porn which they would of had to find.

It was a strange time for the unit, we got time off which was weird because honestly 99.5% of the guys didn't give a [censored]

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I guess my knowledge of Army conditions is very limited... However, would u really be offended and put out by someone jerking off in your bed...?


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Yeah man I was pretty [censored] bothered by it. I was also 19 and had my two friends giving enough [censored] to fill a house.

[JaBlue]

what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

[stabn]

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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This is really a bit results oriented.

[tubalkain]

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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If by "resolve it privately" you mean "flag down the nearest officer and report the son of a bitch", then yes.

[JaBlue]

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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This is really a bit results oriented.

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Not really. Public humiliation to this degree is pretty inhumane in my opinion

[Leaky Eye]

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But I can't believe that you are not haunted by the fact that your actions caused someone to take their own life..


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He did not cause that guy to kill himself. Nobody caused that but the guy. It's sad and I am sure the dude needed some serious psychiatric care, but [censored] didnt cause it. A normal healthy person would not kill themselves just because a masturbation tape got distributed.

Dude, it wasn't just the masterbation tape. that tape was with others that linked him to child porn and videotaping/raping some woman. He obviously thought something was going to happen to him (arrested, exposed) and made the pre-emptive strike....against himself. However, i don't see me feeling bad for a long period of time.

[Bigdaddydvo]

Holy [censored].

So in the tradition of the thousands of Suicide Prevention classes you had to attend, were there any types of warning signs? (like did he at least offer you his CD or porn collection)

As a commander, I can tell you that possession of Child Porn (depending on how much/content etc) will often get a minimum of a Special Court Martial, confinement, loss of rank/pay, and a Bad Conduct Discharge. If his CO finds out about this stuff (which was only a matter of time since his tape was broadcast for all to see), his prospects were pretty dim.

I don't think [censored] has much responsibility for this guy's suicide. The tapes/pictures he had are an obvious indicator of serious mental issues. The episode may have served as a catylist for him taking his own life, but given what was happening inside his head, it's hard to imagine him NOT doing something to hurt himself at a point later in time. [censored] probably just accelerated an inevitible eventuality.

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Dude, it wasn't just the masterbation tape. that tape was with others that linked him to child porn and videotaping/raping some woman. He obviously thought something was going to happen to him (arrested, exposed) and made the pre-emptive strike....against himself. However, i don't see me feeling bad for a long period of time.

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I lolled so hard at pre-emptive strike

[Yeti]

Wow.

[Mr_J]

Eh.

Yeh he should be really pissed off that the guy jerked off on his bed, that's like a penis slap in the face.

The guy deserved to be outed for the kiddie porn. Maybe you saved someone's kid?

You're not responsible for his death. First of all everyone is responsible for their own actions, and 2nd, he was the one who left evidence around.

Just one of those things

[vexvelour]

It seems like you can talk about it pretty freely, which is a good thing. I don't think you should feel bad about it at all. He was just a screwball.

One more weirdo creep gone, 165415645132 more to go.

[ChipWrecked]

The guy had it with him, in his footlocker, unlocked? He wanted to be outed. So he could get it over with.

[krazyace5]

Probably saved the world from another John Wayne Gacy/Ted Bundy type.

[samjjones]

Yes, the guy was f-ed up. Yes, you had a right to be pissed that he j.o'ed on your bed. The guy probably wouldn't have killed himself had his tape not been made public. WTG.

[JihadOnTheRiver]

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what you did was horrible.

sure this guy's a nutjob. sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?

Resolve it privately.

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This is really a bit results oriented.

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I was going to use that line too. I don't think [censored] did anything wrong. Maybe a LITTLE excessive, but so what if the whole company sees it. In the military you can't hide a damn thing. [censored] doesn't feel terrible for a good reason: he didn't really do anything. He didn't cause the guy to kill himself, he just accelerated the process. Good riddance to anybody that kills themselves anyways.

Also: "sure he has kiddy porn and some other freaky [censored] that's disgusting. So what?"

You should be significantly more ashamed of yourself than [censored] for what you've said in that sentence.

-Jihad (on hippies)

[RunDownHouse]

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The guy probably wouldn't have killed himself had his tape not been made public.

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I don't think any of us can make this sort of determination, but the person in the best position to do so is [censored].

[samjjones]

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The guy probably wouldn't have killed himself had his tape not been made public.

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I don't think any of us can make this sort of determination, but the person in the best position to do so is [censored].

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Obviously, any insight into his mental state would be completely speculative. But I would still feel responsible if I were in [censored]'s shoes.

[Farfenugen]

Yep, biggest dick move ever. You uh... win.

[BottlesOf]

Whoah.

[jakethebake]

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well it turns out this probably wasnt the best idea as not two days later Dan killed himself.

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Pretty good story. This reminds me of what may be my biggest dick move ever.

I was fresh out of Marine boot camp and stationed at an Army base for my school. I had just tagged some Air Force girl named Dottie the night before, and she and I were hanging out in the duty hut because I had the barracks duty that night.

I get this phone call that some soldier had just killed himself in one of the rooms I was responsible for so I make all the appropriate phone calls and go up to the room. The girl follows me up.

Along the way we encounter several people that have also heard about it and are also on their way up to the room. I make several joking statements about how in the Marine Corps we just put enough pressure on the weak ones that they get this crap over with before they finish boot camp so we don't have to deal with it later.

We get to the room, and the guy had hung himself in the shower and is all blue. I'm trying to clear the room and notice the girl I was with is crying. Turns out it was her ex-boyfriend that she dumped a couple of days before for me. Oops!

[krimson]

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Probably saved the world from another John Wayne Gacy/Ted Bundy type.

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I think this is the kind of thing that turns people into Ted Bundy's in the first place.

[censored], I think your lucky that all this guy did was kill himself. A fairly weirdo/crazy guy who is trained to kill and has access to guns finally snaps because of you and your roomate. Surprised you're still here to tell the story.

[codewarrior]

I call shenannigans.

[eviljeff]

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[censored], I think your lucky that all this guy did was kill himself. A fairly weirdo/crazy guy who is trained to kill and has access to guns finally snaps because of you and your roomate. Surprised you're still here to tell the story.

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now comes the twist where [cens] tells us that he's Dan.

[Shajen]

Just because you are in the army doesn't mean you're trained to kill.

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Just because you are in the army doesn't mean you're trained to kill.

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Takr it from someone who went through basic training, it definitely means you're not trained to kill, unless you're a grunt.

Brainwashed, yes.
Cold killer, no.

[BradleyT]

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scene 3 starts with our roommate Dan sitting on a large bed, being filmed.

He then quickly pulls down his shors and beats off right there on camera.

He finishes in some toilet paper

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Um, how do you even get to the last part?

[jakethebake]

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I call shenannigans.

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No shenanigans. You think I could make up a story that good? I actually keep in touch with a guy that was there. That was 1988 and he still brings it up almost every time I talk to him.

I've often wondered what happened to that girl. Probably scarred for life. He killed himself over her. She dropped out of the school right after. I have a pic somewhere I'll try to find. She was pretty cute. Had one of those old-fashioned Doris Day haircuts, but kind of a big ass.

[krimson]

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Just because you are in the army doesn't mean you're trained to kill.

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Why? All soldiers have to complete basic training no matter what field they are going into no?

[thatpfunk]

This is one of the most interesting stories/threads I've ever read (provided this is true of course).

[censored] + OOT = gold

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Just because you are in the army doesn't mean you're trained to kill.

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Why? All soldiers have to complete basic training no matter what field they are going into no?

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yes, they all have to go through basic training, but bootcamp isn't about training someone to kill.

[Voltron87]

both, if true, are pretty freaking good stories.

[ThaSaltCracka]

I think you guys did God's work, well done.

[peachy]

thats unfortunate...but i dont see it as anyones fault...if he was that mentally unsound a number of things could have caused the same result - noone is to "blame" for what happened

[ThaSaltCracka]

well [censored] 's gang most certainly caused it, but so what, dude was a pedophile and a pervert. All he was likely to do was ruin dozens of peoples lives later on.

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well [censored] 's gang most certainly caused it, but so what, dude was a pedophile and a pervert. All he was likely to do was ruin dozens of peoples lives later on.

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being a pedophile and pervert makes his life worth no less than any other person...he cant help that those are the things that turn him on - its a chemical reaction inside his mind thats miscrossed, along with a combo of many other things - u cannot condone someone for that! IF they physically act on it (hurting/harming/effecting others) then yes it then becomes a problem - but u cannot say someone is "worth" less b/c of things they cannot control.

Peoples mental weaknesses are unfortunate and all of us have them in some form or another - its how we handle them that makes them different - he wasnt mentally stable in the 1st place and like i said before any number of occurences could have lead to this result and i assure u what they did to him ALONE did not push this man to this point - noone is to blame for his choice

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later Dan killed himself

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OH MY GOD !!!

WOWOWOWOWOWOWW !!!

That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

Sorry .... But that is the most vindictive and horrible thing I have ever heard...

Vavavoom


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The biggest dick move got me thinking and I hadn't remembered this for a long time. I don't really think it classifies as a dick move although probably not the best decisions were made.


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Sorry I should have added this to my original post.....

But I can't believe that you are not haunted by the fact that your actions caused someone to take their own life..

He was jerking off in your room - BIG DEAL.....You are with your mate....and you think he's wierd anyway....So u expose his fragility by exposing him to all of his peers in a foreign country....

U should be ashamed....and if this was me - I would have never told anyone of this story ever....

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CALM DOWN. Put yourself in that position. Would you kill yourself? I know I wouldn't. Sure I'd be embarrassed, but it wouldn't bother me enough to kill myself.

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u cannot condone someone for that!

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Couldn't agree more

[MarkL444]

Well, that's one child-porn loving, middle aged woman touching soldier who likes to tape himself beating off who will be deeply missed.

god bless our troops,
mark

[Shajen]

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Well, that's one child-porn loving, middle aged woman touching soldier who likes to tape himself beating off who will be deeply missed.

god bless our troops,
mark

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WTF is this?

[gamblore99]

wow. That is [censored] up. Definitely a dick move, but you can't be blamed for the guys death. He took his own life.

[cdxx]

this is not a dick move. this deserves a category and a thread of its own. "moves you pulled that resulted in someone's suicide"

[B Dids]

People seem to be measuring the dickishness of his move by the end result, which just isn't fair.

I think a lot of what was posted in the other thread was far worse, it's just that nobody happened to kill themselves.

I do think that given the child porn issue- it's more of a "report to authorities" thing than a "mock him in public" thing.

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Had one of those old-fashioned Doris Day haircuts, but kind of a big ass.

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You know what I'm going to say to that. Don't make me say TTIWWOP. Oh...

NOW THAT WAS A STORY

[ChipWrecked]

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Had one of those old-fashioned Doris Day haircuts, but kind of a big ass.

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I love this phrase

[The once and future king]

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The biggest dick move got me thinking and I hadn't remembered this for a long time. I don't really think it classifies as a dick move although probably not the best decisions were made.

When I was stationed in Korea I shared a room with 3 guys one of them one of them Brian, was really cool and my best friend, the other dan was really weird and not cool.

one time me brian and another friend mccalin came into the room and dan quickly went into the bathroom and then after a brief amount of time took off. Well a few minutes later I notice there is one of my movies in my VCR. My TV/VCR is set up directly across from bed in a way which can only be viewed by sitting on my bed.

I look at the movie and it was like some horror movie I had and Mclain chimes in with "I bet he was beating off on your bed and its at the shower scene" well I pop the movie in and low and behold its on the [censored] shower scene.

This is disturbing to me.

Well we get to talking and one thing leads to another and we start to wonder about old Dan. So we search his locker which he didnt lock it, Im gueessing from being in such a hurry. First thing we find is stack of old porn magazines no big deal.

Next thing we find are some photographs. Now not just any photographs but pics of a young girl probably 12ish sitting on some steps in shorts. only she has the shorts pulled inward at the groin so you can see here bare pussy. well now we're at a whole another level.

next we find a unmarked video tape. we play it.

scene one - is of 3 girls being filmed in what looks like a hotel swimming pool from behind some bushes. it lasts for about 10 minutes.

scene 2 starts in the dark. then the person holding the camera obviously turns on a flash light and what do we see. A rather large woman sleeping on a couch under a blanket. Well mr. cameraman slowly lifts away the blanket revealing a now completely naked rather large middle aged woman. it doesnt stop there oh no. the camera an seemingly puts the flashlight in his mouth and starts to play with what we assume is passed out naked rather large middle aged woman. this goes on for 2-5 minutes tops.

scene 3 starts with our roommate Dan sitting on a large bed, being filmed. He then quickly pulls down his shors and beats off right there on camera. He finishes in some toilet paper with some very animated facial expressions, pulls up his shorts and turns the camera off.

well we don't really know what to do at this point. tell our superiors? do nothing? give him [censored]? oh no. we take it to a next level. now most Army barracks will have what is called a rec room which is basically a unit family room with usually a large TV, VCR and something like a pool table.

now in korea with nothing much to do people love to watch movies and will pop anything in that old VCR. so we head on down and when nobody is looking put that thing smack dad on top of the VCR, fast forwarded right to scene 3. It's a Saturday so just about everyone is on free time.

well what do you know but not 4 hours later there is a big commotion a brewing and the tape is being played again and again while more and more people are being brought in.

well it turns out this probably wasnt the best idea as not two days later Dan killed himself.

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Murderer.

[BluffTHIS!]

People can be cruel sometimes unintentionally and also even intentionally when in authority. I was TDY to a TRADOC basic training unit for a few months and one day I was in a company's office on Saturday and an assistant drill was on duty. This trainee comes in and the drill is fuggin with him. Now this guy had about an 80 IQ at best and never was happy. So the drill asked him if he had ever thought about killing himself, and the trainee said yes. Then the drill told him to make sure that if he cut his wrists to cut along the vein and not across to get the job done, and that a good spot to do it would be in the woods down the road. Now the drill thought he was just being funny, but when the trainee answered yes he should have stopped right there.

So the trainee runs out upset and I go find him, and he is behind a locker crying. So I take him in an office and ask him if he wouldn't really rather just get out of the army, and he said yes. So I arranged for him to get discharged based upon what he said and his mental state. He never should have been allowed to enlist in the first place and some recruiter probably was just enhancing his quota.

When dealing with depressed people like this, or with the person mentioned by the OP who is likely to suffer such shame at humiliation, deserved or not, that he might get depressed by such, people often just don't think what the impact of their words or actions could be.

[RunDownHouse]

Were you shaking so bad with the furious anger flowing through your body that you didn't realize that quoting the entire OP just to tack one word on at the end was completely unnecessary, not to mention completely worthless as far as being interesting or generating discussion?

[samjjones]

Yeah, he doesn't like when people pull that crap...

http://www.garotasquedizemni.com/archives/pulp_fiction_jules.jpg

[BradleyT]

And another thing, whats with all the ruckus in the rec room? If someone said, "Hey Brad come watch this tape of Joe whacking off" I'd be like, "um, no thanks".

[The once and future king]

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Were you shaking so bad with the furious anger flowing through your body that you didn't realize that quoting the entire OP just to tack one word on at the end was completely unnecessary, not to mention completely worthless as far as being interesting or generating discussion?

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No.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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And another thing, whats with all the ruckus in the rec room? If someone said, "Hey Brad come watch this tape of Joe whacking off" I'd be like, "um, no thanks".

[/ QUOTE ]boredom, I am sure.

[MonkeeMan]

My random thoughts from the thread:

dick move - yes
world is a better place without him - yes
murderer - no way
you meet the weirdest people in the military - yes
you meet the greatest people in the military - yes
lots of elements of Jarhead in this story - yes
I think it's a true story - yes

Peace Brother

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That is why armies have a bad reputation....That is the ultimate form of humiliation...U should never forgive yourself for that !!

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Did you breeze over the part where the guy had child porn? No way I'd want some sick pervert like that to have my back if [censored] hit the fan.

Serves Dan right. Hope Hell's comfy for him.

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Yeah we sort of felt this way as well somewhat. Not the having our backs part as it just wasn't something we worried about but he was into child porn and those were actual polaroid pics not something from a magazine. plus scene 1 & 2 were pretty creepy as well. Basically we decided we wasn't the best person.

Brian took it the hardest probably because he was the oldest at 23 and was married. I was 19 and McClain was probably 20.

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Awesome freudian slip there. Especially considering the 'w' key is nowhere near the 'h' key.

[Boris]

Wow. great story

[MrMon]

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being a pedophile and pervert makes his life worth no less than any other person

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Uhhhhh, yes it does. Completely worthless. We're just fortunate he managed to weed himself out from the gene pool before he did any more harm. I suspect there was a lot more to be found than what was in that locker. Have you never watched an episode of L&O:SVU?

What base/year was this?

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Well, that's one child-porn loving, middle aged woman touching soldier who likes to tape himself beating off who will be deeply missed.

god bless our troops,
mark

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WTF is this?

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This is [censored] funny. That's what this is.

[raisins]

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Uhhhhh, yes it does. Completely worthless. We're just fortunate he managed to weed himself out from the gene pool before he did any more harm. I suspect there was a lot more to be found than what was in that locker. Have you never watched an episode of L&O:SVU?

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I've never watched an episode of L&O:SVU but I'll comment anyway. What I think peachy is getting at is that the guy can't control what he is attracted to. Do you have a kink? Could you chage that? Could you change your sexual orientation? Some will judge those with these attractions very harshly when the existence of these desires are out of the person's control. A person is more than their sexual fantasies.

On the other hand those who do have these desires certainly have the responsibility never to act on them no matter how much they wish to. In this specific case it's worth pointing out that this guy wasn't exactly leading a life of stifling his desires. He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman and child porn on polaroids. He sounds pretty dangerous and definitely should have been reported. Still a dick move.

raisins

[fyodor]

OP's move re: putting out the video for public consumption was meant to be funny. If someone killed themselves everytime I attempted to do something funny we wouldn't have this overpopulation problem.

If I killed myself everytime I attempted to be funny and failed I would have been dead before 2+2 was invented. I would have been dead before I could solve 2+2.

OP is no way responsible for someone being unable to take a joke. Do I care if anyone knows I beat off? Do you care if anyone knows you do? I would think it was wierder if someone didn't beat off.

I've been known to have sex with someone all night and when they leave I beat off immediately. I thought that was semi-normal.

I have been humiliated on more than one occaison and lived to tell about it. Ok... well I never told about it. But you get the point.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Some will judge those with these attractions very harshly when the existence of these desires are out of the person's control.

[/ QUOTE ] Tough [censored].

Most of this stuff is caused by abuse early on in their life. Whoever did it to him should have killed himself as well. It is a cycle, and one of the ways to stop it is to kill these muther [censored] before they do it to other innocent people.

Ummmm, am I the only one who thinks there should be a gimmick account of Dan? Or is that not insensitive?

[MonkeeMan]

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He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman

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Just to be a contrarian here, but this is not true. We know nothing of the circumstances of this portion of video.

[man]

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We had to talk to CID seperately (criminal investigations division) and we told the whole story except we changed it to so the tape in my VCR was his masturbating/molesting/stalking tape. figuring that since he had left it within my property we couldn't get busted for taking it. Nothing ended up happening to us but also nothing was ever said to us about the child porn which they would of had to find.

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this is bad. I think you should have told them the truth and lived with the consequences. this is like middle school stuff.

I don't think you have to bear complete blame for what happened. he may have been headed in that direction anyway. but invading someone's private stuff, and then playing a video of them whacking off, is generally the kind of thing you're taught not to do in high school. but I wouldn't lose sleep over it. you might've made the world a better place.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman

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Just to be a contrarian here, but this is not true. We know nothing of the circumstances of this portion of video.

[/ QUOTE ]did you not read his OP?

[MonkeeMan]

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He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman

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Just to be a contrarian here, but this is not true. We know nothing of the circumstances of this portion of video.

[/ QUOTE ]did you not read his OP?

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do you believe everything you see?

[ThaSaltCracka]

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He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman

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Just to be a contrarian here, but this is not true. We know nothing of the circumstances of this portion of video.

[/ QUOTE ]did you not read his OP?

[/ QUOTE ]

do you believe everything you see?

[/ QUOTE ]I have no reason not to believe [censored].

[Cancuk]

That's pretty [censored] up. All of it.

[censored]

[MonkeeMan]

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He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman

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Just to be a contrarian here, but this is not true. We know nothing of the circumstances of this portion of video.

[/ QUOTE ]did you not read his OP?

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do you believe everything you see?

[/ QUOTE ]I have no reason not to believe [censored].

[/ QUOTE ]

neither do I. not the point. that portion of video shows the cameraman touching a sleeping woman. was she really sleeping? was she the cameramans lover? did she ask him to do this and film it for her amusement? was somebody holding a gun to his head to do this? WAS DAN THE CAMERAMAN?

[MrMon]

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Uhhhhh, yes it does. Completely worthless. We're just fortunate he managed to weed himself out from the gene pool before he did any more harm. I suspect there was a lot more to be found than what was in that locker. Have you never watched an episode of L&O:SVU?

[/ QUOTE ]

I've never watched an episode of L&O:SVU but I'll comment anyway. What I think peachy is getting at is that the guy can't control what he is attracted to. Do you have a kink? Could you chage that? Could you change your sexual orientation? Some will judge those with these attractions very harshly when the existence of these desires are out of the person's control. A person is more than their sexual fantasies.

On the other hand those who do have these desires certainly have the responsibility never to act on them no matter how much they wish to. In this specific case it's worth pointing out that this guy wasn't exactly leading a life of stifling his desires. He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman and child porn on polaroids. He sounds pretty dangerous and definitely should have been reported. Still a dick move.

raisins

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So because he can't control what he's attracted to, he's less culpable?

I don't think most of you realize what the OP and his buddies found. I'm not a professional at this, and if anyone is, feel free to chime in, but this was the guy's trophy case. It's not a simple collection of porn, this stuff was personal. Anyone collecting is bound to have done it for quite some time, and apparently it was escalating. He was collecting reminders of his victories over his victims.

It's all about power, not sex. Why shoot a video of yourself jerking off on your roommates bed? Because that was a way of reminding yourself of your victory over your roommate. It's a very hostile act. Killing himself was his way of dealing with the impending loss of that power, not a sense of shame. Shame is for those who realize they have done something wrong. This guy saw himself as perfectly justified.

The OP and his buddies misplay was in not reporting it immediately to superiors instead of trying to make a joke out of it. They're lucky that's all he did, kill himself. The danger to themselves was considerable.

[MonkeeMan]

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Why shoot a video of yourself jerking off on your roommates bed?

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where did it say that it was [censored]'s bed?

everybody jump to conclusions all together now.

[BCPVP]

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Why shoot a video of yourself jerking off on your roommates bed?

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where did it say that it was [censored]'s bed?

everybody jump to conclusions all together now.

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[censored] said so in the beginning and reaffirmed it later on. Now who's jumping to conclusions...?

[raisins]

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So because he can't control what he's attracted to, he's less culpable?

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This is your first line after quoting my post. Nowhere did I say this man was not culpable. My response was to your comment that the man's life was worthless. I also described him as dangerous and that he should have been reported. There was also nothing about the guy shooting a video on the roommate's bed.

raisins

[tdarko]

i stopped reading the replies about half way through b/c some were making me sick to my stomach, i really can't believe that some of you are actually in a roundabout way blaming [censored] for this wack job offing himself?

apparently, many of you haven't spent many years in locker rooms b/c 95% of the time is spent trying to embarrass one another. it becomes a game and if you can't take it that person then becomes the target for the rest of the year. moral of the story: don't be such a [censored]' pussy! and in this fuckjob's case--don't [censored] around with little kids! at least [censored] didn't show that tape heh? he just showed tape 3, the one of him beating off...seriously not that bad. this guy obviously has issues and was a cancer to society anyway, i am not sensitive towards people that kill themselves let alone people that [censored] around with minors.

sorry about the results [censored], i am sure it messed with your head at the time being that you were so young.

[IndieMatty]

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wow

edited to add: wow

[/ QUOTE ]omg

[[censored]]

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Why shoot a video of yourself jerking off on your roommates bed?

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where did it say that it was [censored]'s bed?

everybody jump to conclusions all together now.

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the tape wasn't of him beating off in my bed, it was of some normal bedroom sitting on the edge of large bed (queen or kin size) with a very fancy comforter, so I would guess maybe his parents bed.

He was watching my video from bed and we assumed because of what he was watching and his behavior when we came into the room ie rushing to the bathroom in matter of seconds thats what he was doing

[[censored]]

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i stopped reading the replies about half way through b/c some were making me sick to my stomach, i really can't believe that some of you are actually in a roundabout way blaming [censored] for this wack job offing himself?

apparently, many of you haven't spent many years in locker rooms b/c 95% of the time is spent trying to embarrass one another. it becomes a game and if you can't take it that person then becomes the target for the rest of the year. moral of the story: don't be such a [censored]' pussy! and in this fuckjob's case--don't [censored] around with little kids! at least [censored] didn't show that tape heh? he just showed tape 3, the one of him beating off...seriously not that bad. this guy obviously has issues and was a cancer to society anyway, i am not sensitive towards people that kill themselves let alone people that [censored] around with minors.

sorry about the results [censored], i am sure it messed with your head at the time being that you were so young.

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It was just one tape with 3 different scenes. Some people did infact see the entire thing

[[censored]]

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He had home video of a sexual assualt of a sleeping woman

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Just to be a contrarian here, but this is not true. We know nothing of the circumstances of this portion of video.

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True, it very well could have been faked as it seemed strange to us as well that some woman would sleep completely naked on a couch with just a blanket over her, and that she wouldn't awake being fingered. I really have no idea, it did look geunine though.

[tdarko]

i just have a hard time defending a child molester that commits suicide...i mean a real hard time.

[vexvelour]

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True, it very well could have been faked as it seemed strange to us as well that some woman would sleep completely naked on a couch with just a blanket over her, and that she wouldn't awake being fingered. I really have no idea, it did look geunine though.

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I'm more concerned with the little girl footage than the naked fat lady. Regardless of what Dan may or may not be guilty of, he's a freakin' pedophile. That alone is enough for me to say good riddance.

[The once and future king]

Actualy I wrote murderer because I couldnt resist the chance to take a low blow. Locker room Smocker loom you want to try english boarding school.

What is actualy most disturbing is this sequence of events.

Omfg our roomie is a peodo what should we do??

Group thinks

I know lets put that video of him wanking on in the common room, snark snort chortle looooooooooool.

[Eurotrash]

holy shite. wild stories, thanks to Jake and [censored] for sharing

[sfer]

Whoa. When were you in Korea? I very good friend of mine was stationed there from 9/2000 to 8/2001.

[kurosh]

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Why shoot a video of yourself jerking off on your roommates bed?

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where did it say that it was [censored]'s bed?

everybody jump to conclusions all together now.

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[censored] said so in the beginning and reaffirmed it later on. Now who's jumping to conclusions...?

[/ QUOTE ]
You see, you have this mat, with different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

[SackUp]

Wow.

When are you writing the screenplay?

What you guys did was wrong, obviously, but if you knew that he was going to kill himself as a result of your actions I don't think you would have done it in the first place. Who's to know if he even killed himself because of the tape. Surely the guys in the rec room saw the child porn part. Did they?

[tdarko]

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What is actualy most disturbing is this sequence of events.


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not disturbing at all actually. the way he did it was actually more of a way normal things would have been handled and not the way i would have done it. i would have pistol whipped the [censored] in front of everyone for touching defenseless little girls and then videotaping it (then discharged, but is [censored] hands would have been broken so no more touchy for him). at least [censored] had some fun with it.

this kind of stuff happens in every kind of organization its just that the underlying information was a real deep here and this guy was the ultimate scum IMO.

i still have no idea how people are defending this piece of [censored]. IMO, if some of the posters here believe [censored] drove the molester to his death then [censored] just made it safer for little kids to walk home from school. maybe we should start a program to get child molesters to kill themselves? (kidding kidding, i understand its a disease and they need treatment blah blah blah)

[MonkeeMan]

raisins, ThaSaltCracka, MrMom and BCPVP, help is available. (http://www.readingsuccesslab.com/Reading-Tips/RemedialReading.html)

[jakethebake]

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maybe we should start a program to get child molesters to kill themselves? (kidding kidding, i understand its a disease and they need treatment blah blah blah)

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not kidding. I'll donate some guns and pay for the bullets to shoot themselves.

[[censored]]

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What you guys did was wrong, obviously, but if you knew that he was going to kill himself as a result of your actions I don't think you would have done it in the first place. Who's to know if he even killed himself because of the tape. Surely the guys in the rec room saw the child porn part. Did they?

[/ QUOTE ]

The actual child porn was the polaroid pics not the tape. no one but us (up until the point he killed himself) saw those. The girls that were being filmed in the pool from bushes were young as well though.

to clarify the tape consisted of the following
1) girls in pool being filmed from bushes
2) fingering large middle aged woman in the dark who appeared passed out
3) him filming himself masturbating

and yes if we knew he was suicidal we would have acted differently.

[The once and future king]

No.

I would expect even the biggest piss takers I know to first concern themselves with bringing the fact of his pedo ness to light, not immediatley proceeding to play a prank on said pedo.

Events =

Person 1: "Omg X might be a pedo and a real danger to the community."
Person 2: "Yea like whatevvveerrrr, lets go and play that video of him wanking on the common room VCR, that'll be like way cool snarf snortle snigger."
Person1:"Yea sweet dude."

[tdarko]

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Person 1: "Omg X might be a pedo and a real danger to the community."
Person 2: "Yea like whatevvveerrrr, lets go and play that video of him wanking on the common room VCR, that'll be like way cool snarf snortle snigger."
Person1:"Yea sweet dude."

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hmmmm, let me weight this. on one hand we can handle this in private and have him removed from the military or on the other hand we can expose him to all his roomates and people he thought were his friends (we know [censored] didn't like him but i am sure some may have) and maybe then have his ass kicked then removed from the military....i choose option 2 worse possible punishment. it ended up option 3, him being a [censored] pussy and not able to accept the fact that he is useless to this world so he killed himself, oh well one less cancer we have to worry about. looks like we win here to me.

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i still have no idea how people are defending this piece of [censored]. IMO, if some of the posters here believe [censored] drove the molester to his death then [censored] just made it safer for little kids to walk home from school. maybe we should start a program to get child molesters to kill themselves? (kidding kidding, i understand its a disease and they need treatment blah blah blah)

[/ QUOTE ]
I'll second that. He got off easy, justice would have been to show those pictures to the girl's father and brothers. Same result, but likely much more painful.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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snarf snortle snigger

[/ QUOTE ] please never stop including things like this in your posts.

[TheRover]

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I'll second that. He got off easy, justice would have been to show those pictures to the girl's father and brothers. Same result, but likely much more painful.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please tell me that everything bolded is some kind of bizzare joke and that you're not serious.

[raisins]

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raisins, ThaSaltCracka, MrMom and BCPVP, help is available.

[/ QUOTE ]

hahaha

Thank you, most gracious of you. Do you want me to acknmowledge that the second clip was not necessarilly a sexual assualt? You are correct and I knew that when I made my first post. It could have been faked, or it could have been done by the husband of the woman when she was on a sleep aid and perhaps there are other possibilities as well. The evidence is certainly circumstantial but I am not a D.A. in court. Everything [censored] told us about the guy and the context it was found in suggests that it is a real assault. I chose to use the most likely explanation of the video clip to make my point that the guy is dangerous. Why no mention of tdarko? I guess it's easier to feel righteous pistol whipping a pervert who molests little girls and video tapes it than someone who likes to watch a slumbering middle age fat chick get felt up and has a child porn collection.

Nice catch.

raisins

[MonkeeMan]

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i would have pistol whipped the [censored] in front of everyone for touching defenseless little girls and then videotaping it.

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Hate being a stickler for details, BUT NONE OF THIS EVER HAPPENED!

[tdarko]

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Hate being a stickler for details, BUT NONE OF THIS EVER HAPPENED!

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does that really matter?

[The once and future king]

How does watching a guy wank on a video tell you that said someone is a pedo? What exactly were they revealing?

None of the things you mention where planned. They were purely incidental and came about merely via the OPs desire to have a snarf snortle chuckle lol point finger at the wanky man lol.

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I'll second that. He got off easy, justice would have been to show those pictures to the girl's father and brothers. Same result, but likely much more painful.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please tell me that everything bolded is some kind of bizzare joke and that you're not serious.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes I'm serious. You have any daughters? If you found a Polaroid like that of your daughter, please tell me that suicide would be the easy way out for the creep.

[jakethebake]

Why do you suppose he made this vid anyway? The first parts sound like wank material for himself, but then the vid of him wanking? Did he wank while watching himself wank? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[TheRover]

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I'll second that. He got off easy, justice would have been to show those pictures to the girl's father and brothers. Same result, but likely much more painful.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please tell me that everything bolded is some kind of bizzare joke and that you're not serious.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes I'm serious. You have any daughters? If you found a Polaroid like that of your daughter, please tell me that suicide would be the easy way out for the creep.

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If I had a daughter and you found some [censored] sicko's Polaroids, for [censored] sakes please tell me you wouldn't show them to me.

[[censored]]

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Holy [censored].

So in the tradition of the thousands of Suicide Prevention classes you had to attend, were there any types of warning signs? (like did he at least offer you his CD or porn collection)



[/ QUOTE ]

Nope nothing like that, but things like withdrawn and general depression fit the bill but [censored] as you probably know this could desribe everybody in the Army at one time or another.

About that classes thats what I meant by things were weird afterwards. Some I guess Mental Health officer and soldiers got sent in and they did some classes, and then we had company wide discussions led by the CO and then broke for platoon classes led by the LT, Platoon Sergeant and then of course we broke down by squad and did the same.

The thing was though that almost universally everyone A) thought they were boring and BS including the instructors starting at the platoon level and B) people were mostly just happy to have a break from the normal motor pool or other BS we did on a dailey basis.

It's not that the guys were selfish or heartless its just people look out for their friends and you keep a really tight group.It's hard to explain but its very different than other parts of the world.

[[censored]]

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Why do you suppose he made this vid anyway? The first parts sound like wank material for himself, but then the vid of him wanking? Did he wank while watching himself wank? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah that's how we felt as well. It was the weirdest [censored] thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean he just sat down, pulled his shorts down and went right to work. And the facial expressions...man. And then when it was all done,he just pulled his shorts up, had no expression, and walked over to turn the camera off. It was rather professional really.

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I'll second that. He got off easy, justice would have been to show those pictures to the girl's father and brothers. Same result, but likely much more painful.

[/ QUOTE ]

Please tell me that everything bolded is some kind of bizzare joke and that you're not serious.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes I'm serious. You have any daughters? If you found a Polaroid like that of your daughter, please tell me that suicide would be the easy way out for the creep.

[/ QUOTE ]

If I had a daughter and you found some [censored] sicko's Polaroids, for [censored] sakes please tell me you wouldn't show them to me.

[/ QUOTE ]No, I wouldn't. I can respect the fact that you're not man enough to exact justice from those who harm your loved(?) ones, and would probably just shame the bastard into committing suicide or something. But he deserves worse.

[tdarko]

i had thought he said it was revealed that he was a pedophile to everyone? (now i see they were just photos) regardless, a child molester is caught masturbating on your bed and he plays a prank on the guy and you are giving him [censored]? seriously get that british stick out of your ass. this goes on in every locker room of every sports team in america (i can't speak for other countries) and you don't see people killing themselves over it now do you?

seriously why do you have such a problem with it? even if he made it up or not the fact that you continue to be so uptight over hazing a grown man is confusing to me. if you don't want to be ridiculed lock you locker or be more careful with your belongings. period.

[jeffraider]

Great story! I laughed my dick off at the ending too.

Basically, if this guy is dumb enough to leave such an incriminating tape around, [censored] him.

[TheRover]

Thank you for missing the point entirely.

[MonkeeMan]

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a child molester

[/ QUOTE ]

the story is good enough as told. please stop making things up.

[The once and future king]

I never said I had a problem with him killing himself. Well I did but that was only me taking the piss as I subsequently explained for my slow american cousins. I also attended English bording school so I know all about brutal no holds barred piss taking.

All Im saying is that instead thinking OMFG x is a pedo we better get that sorted out NOW!!! they thought yay lets show a video of him wanking LOL snarf snigger chorlte all aboard the LOL train woot.

[tdarko]

i gotcha, and feel the same as you that the pedo should be sorted out but i also felt that them showing the video is kind of like them sending a message saying, "yeah, [censored] we got the video's so yeah we saw the pics too brotha, your outed you sick bastard."

i do see what you are saying though.

[tdarko]

first of all whether or not the debate i am having in this thread is based on hpothetical information or real events does not really matter anymore b/c i am debating with people's acual thoughts on a subject, whether or not the subject happened is arbitrary. so like who the [censored] cares. you don't have to keep repeating yourself.

second of all you are really naive if you think a person isn't a child molester when they have in their possession polariods, not pics printed of the net, but [censored] polariods of a little girl with her bald vagina exposed. i have taken plenty of psych classes to understand that this could actually only be the tip of the iceburg when it comes to harm done to children with this guy. your comment reeks of naivety.

[KaneKungFu123]

I cant believe you were joking about someone who just killed themself in their room. I guess boot camp really does dehumanize you.

[tdarko]

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Why no mention of tdarko?

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haha thanks raisins, i was wondering why this hound was on me.

[AngryCola]

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i have taken plenty of psych classes to understand that this could actually only be the tip of the iceburg

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A lot of things could be true.

[MonkeeMan]

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first of all whether or not the debate i am having in this thread is based on hpothetical information or real events does not really matter anymore b/c i am debating with people's acual thoughts on a subject, whether or not the subject happened is arbitrary. so like who the [censored] cares. you don't have to keep repeating yourself.

second of all you are really naive if you think a person isn't a child molester when they have in their possession polariods, not pics printed of the net, but [censored] polariods of a little girl with her bald vagina exposed. i have taken plenty of psych classes to understand that this could actually only be the tip of the iceburg when it comes to harm done to children with this guy. your comment reeks of naivety.

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First, I'm really impressed that you took "plenty of psych classes". Did any of them deal with the difference between reality and fantasy?

Second, how did you discover they were "polariods, not pics printed of the net, but [censored] polariods"? Polaroids??? Quite a vivid imagination you have. Even if this were true, it in no way indicates Dan was a "child molester".

Third, "i would have pistol whipped the [censored] in front of everyone for touching defenseless little girls and then videotaping it." Where did this idea come from (since it has nothing to do with anything we know of Dan from the story)?

Fourth, I would be naive if I believed you were capable of pistol whipping anyone.

Fifth, I apologize for trying to impose facts on your little hypothetical information debate.


Keeping it real,
Born 2 Loose


p.s. In case you're interested in my views on the actual topic, here is my original post in this thread:

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My random thoughts from the thread:

dick move - yes
world is a better place without him - yes
murderer - no way
you meet the weirdest people in the military - yes
you meet the greatest people in the military - yes
lots of elements of Jarhead in this story - yes
I think it's a true story - yes

Peace Brother

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[young nut]

This sounds like a story right out of the script for M.A.S.H.

[tdarko]

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My random thoughts from the thread:

dick move - yes
world is a better place without him - yes
murderer - no way
you meet the weirdest people in the military - yes
you meet the greatest people in the military - yes
lots of elements of Jarhead in this story - yes
I think it's a true story - yes

Peace Brother


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my exact thoughts as well. so why on earth are you argueing, b/c you just feel the need to? would it matter if they were polaroids or if they were kiddie porn pics of the net? would it matter if it were pics of the net of videos? in my mind no it wouldn't. he is a pedophile with the potential to be a child molester and in my book that makes him harmful to society therefore a "child molester," you can defend that all you want but that's what i am going to think. you can have your opinion and thats fine but why argue with mine?

pedophilia is a condition in which an adult has a desire for children. a child molester is when the person takes action upon that desire, we don't have proof of that, you are right. but you give a pedophile long enough he will become a child molester, it is the process. i desire adult women so i seek them because they satisfy that desire, well kids satisfy his desire so its only time till they are in danger if not already in danger. to me a pedophile and a child molester are one in the same.

[MonkeeMan]

Sorry, I'm chillin' now.

My group of friends always get in big heated arguments over stuff, almost come to mixin it up, sometimes do, and then sober up /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

You're right, we do fundamentaly agree on Dan.

[raisins]

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Second, how did you discover they were "polariods, not pics printed of the net, but [censored] polariods"? Polaroids??? Quite a vivid imagination you have. Even if this were true, it in no way indicates Dan was a "child molester".

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To continue the nitty tone of this thread, they were polaroids. Yes, [censored] polaroids. Polaroids!!!

I'm not sure how you came to a conclusion otherwise but fidelity and close attention to the text will pay rich rewards.

regards,

raisins

[MonkeeMan]

you suck at reading. besides, I've moved on to googling porn of girls of indeterminate age.

[pokerdirty]

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The biggest dick move got me thinking and I hadn't remembered this for a long time. I don't really think it classifies as a dick move although probably not the best decisions were made.

When I was stationed in Korea I shared a room with 3 guys one of them one of them Brian, was really cool and my best friend, the other dan was really weird and not cool.

one time me brian and another friend mccalin came into the room and dan quickly went into the bathroom and then after a brief amount of time took off. Well a few minutes later I notice there is one of my movies in my VCR. My TV/VCR is set up directly across from bed in a way which can only be viewed by sitting on my bed.

I look at the movie and it was like some horror movie I had and Mclain chimes in with "I bet he was beating off on your bed and its at the shower scene" well I pop the movie in and low and behold its on the [censored] shower scene.

This is disturbing to me.

Well we get to talking and one thing leads to another and we start to wonder about old Dan. So we search his locker which he didnt lock it, Im gueessing from being in such a hurry. First thing we find is stack of old porn magazines no big deal.

Next thing we find are some photographs. Now not just any photographs but pics of a young girl probably 12ish sitting on some steps in shorts. only she has the shorts pulled inward at the groin so you can see here bare pussy. well now we're at a whole another level.

next we find a unmarked video tape. we play it.

scene one - is of 3 girls being filmed in what looks like a hotel swimming pool from behind some bushes. it lasts for about 10 minutes.

scene 2 starts in the dark. then the person holding the camera obviously turns on a flash light and what do we see. A rather large woman sleeping on a couch under a blanket. Well mr. cameraman slowly lifts away the blanket revealing a now completely naked rather large middle aged woman. it doesnt stop there oh no. the camera an seemingly puts the flashlight in his mouth and starts to play with what we assume is passed out naked rather large middle aged woman. this goes on for 2-5 minutes tops.

scene 3 starts with our roommate Dan sitting on a large bed, being filmed. He then quickly pulls down his shors and beats off right there on camera. He finishes in some toilet paper with some very animated facial expressions, pulls up his shorts and turns the camera off.

well we don't really know what to do at this point. tell our superiors? do nothing? give him [censored]? oh no. we take it to a next level. now most Army barracks will have what is called a rec room which is basically a unit family room with usually a large TV, VCR and something like a pool table.

now in korea with nothing much to do people love to watch movies and will pop anything in that old VCR. so we head on down and when nobody is looking put that thing smack dad on top of the VCR, fast forwarded right to scene 3. It's a Saturday so just about everyone is on free time.

well what do you know but not 4 hours later there is a big commotion a brewing and the tape is being played again and again while more and more people are being brought in.

well it turns out this probably wasnt the best idea as not two days later Dan killed himself.

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I haven't read the entire thread, so sorry if this has been said, but...

This seems like a modified version of what happened in Jarhead.

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I haven't read the entire thread, so sorry if this has been said, but...

This seems like a modified version of what happened in Jarhead.

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I haven't seen the movie or read the book yet and all I can do is say it's entirely legit. My guess would be that dudes suffering sometype of humilation combined with some mental illness or depression is more likely to happen in the military than in other walks of life.

[astroglide]

i haven't seen jarhead either, but i sure enjoy having big plot elements blown for me!

I have seen Jarhead and he doesn't not what he's talking about. No plot points have been ruined.

[glorfindel]

This guy needed psychological help. You should have turned the tapes over to your CO, so this process could have begun.

You had a great opportunity to help another human being; instead, you assisted in his death. Although you probably won't, you should feel very, very sad. A classic tragedy, with you as the catalyst, selecting the worst of all possible courses of action.

Learn empathy and have the courage to act on it.

[vexvelour]

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Learn empathy for pedophiles and molesters and have the courage to act on it.

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FYP

[MonkeeMan]

The army doesn't really do much in the way of empathy and sensitivity training for the enlisted men. Raise this issue with your congresswoman.

[jakethebake]

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The army doesn't really do much in the way of empathy and sensitivity training for the enlisted men. Raise this issue with your congresswoman.

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Clearly empathy is a desireable trait in people you expect to be able to kill without hesitation. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[mmcd]

Maybe I'm f'd up, but I think that is a hilarious story.

It certainly seems like you didn't like the guy, so I don't know why people think you should feel bad he killed himself.