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12-09-2005, 02:39 AM

Villain is 86/12/.72 after 44 hands. I had not seem them do anything out of the ordinary. Their preflop raising standards were pretty liberal and they played too many hands too far.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 (Villian)/ calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 (Villian)/ calls.

Pre-flop is standard

Flop: (10.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
BB checks, Villian bets, Hero folds, MP2 calls, Button folds, BB calls.

I figure that considering villian's range of possible holdings I'm either way ahead or way behind. I also have three people behind me to act and I can't rule out the possibility that one of them has an A. The pot isn't huge and I think I'm needing to probably spike one of the two other K's to win.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Villian bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Villian bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Eeegah

12-09-2005, 02:44 AM

Don't fold! Raise that flop! You know where two of the aces are, making it less likely that the villain has one. If he 3-bets I'm calling down unless I spike a K.

Also, 10SB in a 5 handed flop is a big pot.

12-09-2005, 02:47 AM

That was my initial reaction, "Raise!" but for some reason I second guessed myself and thought I was beat for sure. It was an odd passive moment for me which is why I posted it.

Agthorr

12-09-2005, 03:36 AM

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It was an odd passive moment for me which is why I posted it.

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It wasn't passive. It was tight. Passive is when you call too much instead of betting/raising or folding.

@bsolute_luck

12-09-2005, 07:22 AM

i actually would like to play this hand passive. why raise it? keep people in and let the Q keep betting. nobody can make a better 2 pair and unless someone has KJ or catches a miracle runner-runner, we have a really strong hand.

i simply call/call/call.

crovax4444

12-09-2005, 08:17 AM

at .5/1, someone is more likely to hold that Ace. Bet that flop and find out what happens

Crovax

12-09-2005, 08:19 AM

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Villain is 86/12/.72 after 44 hands. I had not seem them do anything out of the ordinary. Their preflop raising standards were pretty liberal and they played too many hands too far.

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Seems like he likes playing Axo Axs here. Hmm but 44 hands is to little. If this was over 300 hands I may throw it away on the flop, now I get into a passive mode and call it down. A bet would be nice at higher stakes but in 0,5/1, nah...

Webster

12-09-2005, 08:21 AM

You played it well. I would not have raised the flop. For one thing if the guy is "iinto" it he would raised you right back and THEN what.

This is not a fight I would want to get into plus- you have 3 other players in the pot after you who couldALSO have an Ace.

ajm36

12-09-2005, 08:28 AM

3-bet the flop and call a raise (If he calls here, you can lead the turn), I fold the turn UI (who am I kidding? I call down thinking he has KQ /images/graemlins/frown.gif)

imported_The Vibesman

12-09-2005, 11:01 AM

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i actually would like to play this hand passive. why raise it? keep people in and let the Q keep betting. nobody can make a better 2 pair and unless someone has KJ or catches a miracle runner-runner, we have a really strong hand.

i simply call/call/call.

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This is my line. A raise will only get you 3bet by better hands and will fold most worse ones. If he's betting a Q he's probably sitting on the fold button waiting for you to act.