Thoughts on line taken?

[Tom Martell]

No read yet on villain.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

[jackdaniels]

You want to raise the flop here. On an uncoordinated board you may wanna wait till the turm to raise. Here, with 2 /images/graemlins/club.gif and 3 str. cards, you have to apply pressure as soon as possible.

[jskills]

I like raising the flop and playing it faster when the flop is 2 flushed. The line you took is one I'd take on a safer flop.

Looks like he made a runner runner /images/graemlins/spade.gif flush on you somehow?

AJ /images/graemlins/spade.gif ?

I raise the flop here with the board giving so many draws. There are a number of turn cards that can be bad for your hand, so you want to put as much pressure on as possible right away. On the river, I just call that bet. If it's checked to me, I bet and call a check-raise. But I don't like his bet there with the 3rd spade on the board. He may be just betting a 2-pair he thinks is good, but getting 3-bet here with this board is not fun. Anyone else have any thoughts on this river?

The only question here is the raise on the river. You raised the turn correctly hoping to penalize someone with a four flush. When the spade falls on the end, I would have flat called

[Tom Martell]

I disagree with the flop - I think the check is fine, as you aren't pricing his draw out here. However, if it doesnt hit on the turn you can make chasing incorrect.

The river I'm not sure on. I put him on AK or KQ, which might lead the river and call the raise. Dunno.

[Tom Martell]

Yep.

[Tom Martell]

Raising the flop does nothing. There are 4.5 big bets in the pot, raising here does not protect. And you get more value out of raising the turn since this flop hit most 3-betting preflop hands.

When there is more than 1 player in there, then the flop raise to thin the field seems better.

[oxymoron]

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Raising the flop does nothing. There are 4.5 big bets in the pot, raising here does not protect. And you get more value out of raising the turn since this flop hit most 3-betting preflop hands.

When there is more than 1 player in there, then the flop raise to thin the field seems better.

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I raise this flop and not for protection but for value. This is the type of board that the other player probably hit and you still have outs to a FH if he has the straight or flush. If another scare card hits I might change tempos but on this board I am raising the flop.

I would have raised post flop. Normally I would slow down with trips, but with two clubs on board, I would want to make him pay if he's drawing to the flush (or straight in this case). River raise is pretty macho. I think given the three spades on the borad, I would have just called. As always, remember, I suck. Take it for what it's worth.

[POKhER]

I think had you cut the action off on the turn the comments may change.

I'm ok with the way you played it, my only concern would be that he raised and didn't cap PREFLOP. So on this king high flop(three kings, one remaining) him having a KING is unlikly(Pair) aswell as aces being unlikly.

So as this is the case, I think you must get your money in now as theres a big chance he may not bet the turn(Ok shorthanded play usually results in flop/turn bets but may not be the case).

Interms of protection, i think headsup he's calling the flop raise anyhow so theres not much you can protect from(Except a flop bluff, but in a 11SB flop hes not folding untill atleast the turn even with a weak pair).

Now we're only behind QT on the flop and a 8/T/Q are bad cards, but we have redraws.

I think i'd of played it the same some days, and raised the flop on others. Interms of profit the turn play is best of course.

I dont feel your can protect against most hands on the flop, So waiting for the turn and hoping to boat up is our best bet IMO.

Of course we're likly ahead on the turn anyhow so it has lots of value too.

Just my opinion, Lets get a debate rocking!

So NH interms of what i do mishand with 10 seconds to act, But after consideration interms of what he hold/Do i think flop raise is often a good idea. Would you bet the turn with A/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/heart.gif Vs a Preflop 3better on this?

[gopnik]

I like it, he could be donking the river with a lot of hands that you beat and he'll pay you off by calling a raise a lot.

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I disagree with the flop - I think the check is fine, as you aren't pricing his draw out here. However, if it doesnt hit on the turn you can make chasing incorrect.

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You are heads up and you have over 50% pot equity. Bet for Value.

[WillMagic]

Tom,

Raising the flop = good. You get three-bet a lot, which is awesome, and you disguise the strength of your hand.

Good to see you posting again. When will you be back at the home game?

Will