2/4 - Got checkraised when holding over pair. Where am I?

[People_Mover]

2/4NL on Bodog
Villian just sat down and this is his 1st hand at the table as he "waited for BB".

Hero ($450.00) opens UTG with J /images/graemlins/diamond.gifJ /images/graemlins/heart.gif for $12.00
Villian ($500.00) in the BB calls.

$26.00 - FLOP 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif4 /images/graemlins/spade.gif8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif

He checks. I bet $20.00. He check raises to $65.00 /images/graemlins/confused.gif

I just moved up limits, so I don't know what the heck is going on here. Part of me says easy fold, but the other part says put $100.00 more on top and push any non spade/ace turn.

[soah]

I've started checking these types of flops more often, especially against players I don't have much of a read on or who I consider unpredictable/tricky. You will get action from a wide range of hands here and you'll have no idea what's good to see on the turn assuming you're not already crushed. Giving away a $26 pot by mistake isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but playing guessing games with your whole stack in jeopardy can be.

[ahnuld]

I bet these flops everytime, take it down waaay more often than I expect, and fold to any resistance at all, like in your example.

[Marlow]

Your paragraph at the end tells me that you are a little uncomfortable still in your new limit. This is totally normal. My advice is to fold this and in all situations like this until you really know what to expect from your opponents. Guessing is never good in NL, and too often all of us tend to make the bad and more expensive choice when we're confused and think we might be getting played with. It's pretty normall to think that people are bluffing their asses of at the next limit up. Let the paranoia wear off before making big decisions to commit a big chunck of your stack.

gl

[soah]

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I bet these flops everytime, take it down waaay more often than I expect, and fold to any resistance at all, like in your example.

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People at Bodog don't fold as much as you'd expect. You can get called by all sorts of crap and they can play really weird. It's damn hard to tell the difference between someone that has you drawing dead and the moron that thinks his top pair is the nuts. The hands that give action on this flop in most cases are making only a small mistake at worst (overcard+draw, pair+draw). If the top card pairs on the turn, or an ace comes... you don't know if they just sucked out on you. Now you're in a position to make mistakes in a pretty big pot.

I would fold this. There's a small chance he's on a complete bluff, but the great majority of the time he has a made hand which you are drawing almost dead too or two high cards with a spade, which are very live against you.

Dumle

[Officer Farva]

Dont be scared. More often than not, you're being semibluffed. Push or call, its your choice. You have to think of these decisions as happening a million times. For me, if I was confronted with this decison a million times, I'd push every time, win unimproved most of the time, draw dead ocassionally, and get sucked out on sometimes.

Now I'm a 6max player, so I tend to be agressive. In 10 max I might just call or could throw away if I had a great read on this guy.

[Wayfare]

You're either slightly ahead or way behind with no way to really tell. Raising $100 more might cause a villan with the A /images/graemlins/spade.gif to push, and you would have to fold even though you were about even.

This is a clear fold to me.

[Wayfare]

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Dont be scared. More often than not, you're being semibluffed. Push or call, its your choice. You have to think of these decisions as happening a million times. For me, if I was confronted with this decison a million times, I'd push every time, win unimproved most of the time, draw dead ocassionally, and get sucked out on sometimes.

Now I'm a 6max player, so I tend to be agressive. In 10 max I might just call or could throw away if I had a great read on this guy.

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Do you really think a push is in order here? I think fold>call>>>>>>>>>push.

Look at the stack sizes...?

[Big_Jim]

Easy fold.

Slightly Ahead/Way Behind situation.

If you are convinced this is a semi-bluff (much more likely than a pure bluff), call now, and push any blank turn. You may even get fold equity from AA-QQ.

[Officer Farva]

Actually, you're right. This is 10max. Fold. (i'm a fish though so i might call the flop and see what happens on the turn. Any check on his part could give away hand)

[Big_Jim]

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For me, if I was confronted with this decison a million times, I'd donk off my bankroll

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FYP

[swolfe]

soah,

if you check the flop and he fires a PSB on a blank turn, what's your play?

[People_Mover]

I folded like a pansy because I'm weak tight.... I'd rather lose 32.00 and say oh well, then play for 500.00. I figured I'd almost pot the flop and make his two high cards go away, but since he check raised for the pot on top, there's no way he's doing this out of position on the turn without probably firing a made hand on the turn or a hand I'm not beating. Just making sure I'm doing okay. Thanks for the replies.

[Big_Jim]

Folding on this flop is not weak-tight.

Re-raising on this flop is lighting money on fire.

[soah]

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soah,

if you check the flop and he fires a PSB on a blank turn, what's your play?

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Raise.

But very few bets at Bodog are near the size of the pot anyway which usually makes a turn raise pretty cheap. And big bets are frequently complete air.