"Official" Live at the Bike thread (12/7) (50/100 NL)

[Kevmath]

Tonight is another edition of the "Whale Game", 50/100 NL with a 5k max buyin that escalates the more times one goes broke. Ed Shanazarian, who swore off the game last week, makes his return. L@TB favorite Barry Woods is supposed to be in the game as well. Having Ed back and adding Barry W should help loosen the game up. For those that want to see if Ed can drop 30k again, head to www.liveatthebike.com (http://www.liveatthebike.com) from 6-9pm PT. To answer the post below, I think that'll take place again next week. Maybe this time I can break Tuch and not play poorly in the two hands I could've broke him on.

are u playing on live at the bike play money again tonight if so what table

[spsurfin_Michael]

Good Evening. I missed last night due to a birthday dinner. How did the game go?

[surfinillini]

average

[Russ McGinley]

The free game on The Bike's page was a Tuchman suckout-fest. You've never seen as many suckouts as you would have seen last night. Then he wouldn't even donk off the rest of his chips at the end. Then I got sucked out by Kevmath and cwsiggy when I had QQ and they both had raggedy aces RIGGED JOPKE

[surfinillini]

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The free game on The Bike's page was a Tuchman suckout-fest. You've never seen as many suckouts as you would have seen last night. Then he wouldn't even donk off the rest of his chips at the end. Then I got sucked out by Kevmath and cwsiggy when I had QQ and they both had raggedy aces RIGGED JOPKE

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waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Russ McGinley]

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waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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No doubt, I called the wahmbulance on that one. Although I was not the one who went on tilt. (yes someone did go on tilt in a play money game)

[Kevmath]

Speaking as one of the tiltees, doesn't everyone go tilt in a play money game?

[Russ McGinley]

Man I have missed Ed. Insta-call to a turn raise and insta-all-in on the river.

[BarronVangorToth]

Hopefully we're going to have a good game tonight, fellas, these "whale" games seem to be always solid entertainment. Thankfully, I've already turned down my speakers and adjusted everything south in order to compensate for the inevitable Bart-attack.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[spsurfin_Michael]

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waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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No doubt, I called the wahmbulance on that one. Although I was not the one who went on tilt. (yes someone did go on tilt in a play money game)

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LMAO

[surfinillini]

Pot size: $7500.00

Tip: $2.00

Hitting your 2 outer...priceless

[Russ McGinley]

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Speaking as one of the tiltees, doesn't everyone go tilt in a play money game?

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You just got bored sitting around waiting for aces /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[cwsiggy]

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For those that want to see if Ed can drop 70k again

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FYP

BTW Russ, did I play ace rag?? and suck out? Damn I don't remember that. My best play of course was the Royal Arlo busting Kevmath. I love play money. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Russ McGinley]

I thought it was you, it was the last hand Tuch was in.

You gotta love Ed. Where did he get his money?

[Ghazban]

Awesome check behind by Avo with top two on that board.

Avo continues to impress me. Anyone know his background?

[surfinillini]

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You gotta love Ed. Where did he get his money?

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he sold his west coast restaurant franchise before it went bankrupt soon after...

[Russ McGinley]

Ed is the master at calling and raising with the worst hand and checking the best hand.

[Ghazban]

Happy birthday dude.

[spsurfin_Michael]

Happy Birthday Nick /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[IronDragon1]

I've been wondering about something RE: whale game players for quite some time now:

Who would the LATB thread regulars rather watch in a big game:

[Russ McGinley]

Jesus, and it isn't close.

[mostsmooth]

where are all the asian chicks at??

[cwsiggy]

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where are all the asian chicks at??

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They are all in Philadelphia at places I can't tell you about.
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[mostsmooth]

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where are all the asian chicks at??

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They are all in Philadelphia at places I can't tell you about.
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you think theres places in philly with asian chicks that i dont know about?

[spsurfin_Michael]

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where are all the asian chicks at??

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Ummmmm Asia? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kevmath]

A better game would be if you had Barry W, Jonas, Corp. Mike, Avo, Jesus, Ed, Kenna James, and Vic at the same table.

[cwsiggy]

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you think theres places in philly with asian chicks that i dont know about?

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ruh roh - Hopefully you don't know bout my new fav place (ya know - the worst secret in Phila - CH2??

[spsurfin_Michael]

If you really want hot Asian Women, then Los Angeles is for you. We have a city named after every major Asian ethnicity there is. There is more Asian eye candy here then anywhere I have traveled except Hawaii.

[surfinillini]

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If you really want hot Asian Women, then Los Angeles is for you. We have aN INNER city named after every major Asian ethnicity there is.

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FYP

[Dave Mac]

i think vic checked behind on the turn in an attempt to control the size of the pot.
dave

[mostsmooth]

ok, so i dont know everyplace, tell me more about this , this, ch2 thing.

[spsurfin_Michael]

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If you really want hot Asian Women, then Los Angeles is for you. We have aN INNER city named after every major Asian ethnicity there is.

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FYP

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Good Edit /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Russ McGinley]

Bartgasmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!111

[cwsiggy]

PM sent

[surfinillini]

And the river is a 9...MY HEART SHIRLEY...MY HEART

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[Eurotrash]

wow, what a hand.

can he honestly think his straight was good? i am amazed at some of the play of Mike Woo, who is a pro player?

[spsurfin_Michael]

Slow played it to a loosing hand once again. When will they learn?

[Russ McGinley]

I doubt it but he probably just couldn't bring himself to folding the flopped nuts turned second best rivered third best.

[rlr]

with plays like that I'd doubt for long /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Russ McGinley]

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When will they learn?

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Hopefully never?

Thanks for the Happy Bday guys. Quarter of a century today, feeling too old.

[macmacer]

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A better game would be if you had Barry W, Jonas, Corp. Mike, Avo, Jesus, Ed, Kenna James, and Vic at the same table.

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Add in action Joe and include the pink chips (the ones where who wins the most pots after a flop wins a prize like $200 and a jacket).

[surfinillini]

Before Barry flopped his straight, his VP$IP was ZERO!!!

Good job...

[mostsmooth]

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PM sent

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to who?

[Russ McGinley]

He checked the turn, ruining his AF!!!!1111oneone

[spsurfin_Michael]

Who won the Bart game?

[rlr]

=] But he tipped $5 to make up for it

How good does Barry Woods look at the table, that has to be worth a few bets an hour.

[surfinillini]

don't be a gay...

...not that there's anything wrong with that...

awww look at all the fish chiming in

[cwsiggy]

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Who won the Tuch???? game?

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Actually, I think I did in terms of overall chips. No one busted Tuch though even though he tried to give away chips near the end.

After clicking the continue button I realized that my post did not look so good. You gotta get up to Ventura, they have a nice NL game on Wed and Sat

[Roswell]

I haven't followed this game in the past, but I recognize seat 3 (Ed) from a 5/10 NL game I played at the Bike last Thursday. He was probably the wierdest, most bizarro, worst player I have ever played with. He would call $500 bets on the river with a missed J-high flush draw. He must have lost $15000 in a couple hours.

I told a friend about Ed, and my friend said "You should put a GPS up his ass and play wherever he plays."

[BarronVangorToth]

Bart,

Can you ask your graphics guy to include the amount someone has bought in for when you show their chip count?

Yosh - $17,000 (in for $10,000)

etc etc. As two guys can be at the same amount and yet one be winning and the other not be.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[BlackRain]

What kind of audience does this live at the bike webcast get now? Has it grown consistently over the last 9-10 months or however long its been going?

Btw, entertaining game/commentary as always.

[mostsmooth]

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What kind of audience does this live at the bike webcast get now? Has it grown consistently over the last 9-10 months or however long its been going?

Btw, entertaining game/commentary as always.

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i hear they are up to 37 viewers

[cwsiggy]

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Bart,

Can you ask your graphics guy to include the amount someone has bought in for when you show their chip count?

Yosh - $17,000 (in for $10,000)

etc etc. As two guys can be at the same amount and yet one be winning and the other not be.

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Top notch top notch!!!!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/cwsiggy/caddy4.jpg

[surfinillini]

Bdub's VP$IP went through the roof with the AK hand.

VP$IP = $5,000 with AK high

---BRUTAL hand - 6h takes it...relax Barry...don't blow a gasket, play the same game and you'll get it all back with interest.

[Russ McGinley]

Ouch, horrible suckout on BDub. Gah, then he berates the fish.

barry wood has to have the worst luck i have seen on live at the bike always getting killed

[spsurfin_Michael]

Nasty suckout........

Barry, don't tap on the aquarium

[dabigbadrook]

When Yosh talked about Shirley's site, I decided to peek in on it again. I saw that she posted her Ipod list. I love looking at other peoples music. Thank you for sharing something personal and I got a few ideas from your list to download for me.

[Russ McGinley]

WTF? Nice angleshot Ed.

[BarronVangorToth]

Barry isn't getting the pot unless the other dude gives it to him.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[whalekock]

Just got in. Has Tuch chimed in on his perfect play on the play site last night.

Wow barry must be getting the Tuch treatment. Never seen him that mad.

[Roswell]

Haha Bart, thanks for responding to my post. This is Matt, we met at the Bike a couple weeks ago. (I told you about how El Diablo thinks he's being cheated by the show)

[Rick Nebiolo]

....to think I'd defend my play on the hand where I had a freeplay with 6-5 offsuit in the blind and bet $25 on the flop (into five or six opponents) with a board of Q-4-3 rainbow. Gus (seat 3) called and seat 4 (the guy with a ZZ Topp beard) made it $100. I did the math but screwed up by adding a non-existant $100 to my potential win (which would have made it close). But even with this mistake it's only close if I don't account for the fact that a likely hand I'd be up against would be a two pair or a set, meaning I'd have to account for redraws. Spiking the turn deuce and escaping the board pair on the river (ZZ Topp had a set of fours) more than doubled me up but it was the worse hand I played all night (I think).

On that hand I wonder what Bart meant by a $25 bet into a $30 to $35 pot (after tip/drop) being a "typical Rick mousey bet"; I mean how big a bet (relative to the pot) do I have to fire for it to be "not mousey"? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

I heard about an hour on the replay and thought Bart and Shirley are really getting polished.

But Bart, would you please pronounce my name correctly? An odd sounding name has caused my much torment - not all of us have a "movie star" sounding name. And I only called you Brad once.

Regards,

Rick

PS Bart - Give me a break, I'm not as tight as you think (or as you are). I really was card dead again last night

PPS Shirley - I do routinely raise with KQ offsuit against one limper in late position.

PPS I need liposuction on my chin given I don't even have love handles or a beer gut. It's expensive so I'll take donations.

PPPS There were a couple hands (I wasn't involved) where the verbal interplay and gamesmanship was extremely interesting and won the pot for the gamesman. If I get time I'll try to write them up for the general 2+2 forum.

PPPPS Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays!

[chucksim]

Wow...Barry's steaming now. Glad they didn't make an exception because there are cameras. Barry must protect his hand...no ifs ands or buts.

[Roswell]

Was that an angle shoot by Ed? Declaring his hand wrong and getting the others to muck?

what would everyone do if u were jay do u push it to barry????

[cwsiggy]

Damn, bummer for Barry.

regroup, regroup!!!
you can do it Barry!

[mostsmooth]

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what would everyone do if u were jay do u push it to barry????

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not after barry just called me the worst player he ever saw. karma svcks.

lol love that yea I guess he isnt giving anything back

[Kevmath]

Nice to see Bart's rap knowledge goes back to 2002, Nelly?? Puff Daddy?? That's two name changes ago.

Regarding the possible angle, I think Ed was just screwing around, and didn't really expect Barry or Jay would fold their hand.

[surfinillini]

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Was that an angle shoot by Ed? Declaring his hand wrong and getting the others to muck?

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I've done this playing 15/30 in Vegas but I was drunk as [censored] and it was 4am,; as an honorable thing I offerred a chopped pot, that's the least Ed could have done.

[mostsmooth]

jays been playing pretty well, oops

[cwsiggy]

Damn Shirley how is (Ah 7c 8h As) a good hand in Omaha? (I am just learning this game but still... I thought those middle cards suck balls (I do realize you ae suited to the ace and hav e apair of aces, but no low protection at all. hmmmmmm

never mind - I see you said you were pushing the envelope with this hand

[Russ McGinley]

Except Ed didn't win the pot, Jay did. And like Corona said, after Barry called him the worst player ever, I don't think he'll be chopping with him anytime soon.

[mostsmooth]

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Was that an angle shoot by Ed? Declaring his hand wrong and getting the others to muck?

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I've done this playing 15/30 in Vegas but I was drunk as [censored] and it was 4am,; as an honorable thing I offerred a chopped pot, that's the least Ed could have done.

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ed didnt get the pot or did i miss something?

but ed didnt even win it at that point jay took the hand down and barry just called him the worst player ever

[surfinillini]

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Was that an angle shoot by Ed? Declaring his hand wrong and getting the others to muck?

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I've done this playing 15/30 in Vegas but I was drunk as [censored] and it was 4am,; as an honorable thing I offerred a chopped pot, that's the least Ed could have done.

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ed didnt get the pot or did i miss something?

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my bad, I thought ed got it...I guess it was Jay...either way, I just said what I did as an example...

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[Russ McGinley]

LOL @ Barry. I have to think Barry thinks it was an angle by Ed. Misreading a 4 for a 9 is a really weak excuse.

[BarronVangorToth]

Barry is doing precisely what you should not do when you are clearly one of the best players at the table.

-EV ahoy.

Not to mention rude.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[surfinillini]

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whats with all these dummy accounts tonight

[Russ McGinley]

Please turn up the table mic for this!

[mostsmooth]

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[/ QUOTE ] that doesnt make him gay

[Russ McGinley]

ED OVERCALLS! HE OVERCALLS!

[spsurfin_Michael]

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ED OVERCALLS! HE OVERCALLS!

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What? I can't hear you? /images/graemlins/crazy.gif /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Dear god. i wish i had money like Ed to be able to play like that

[whalekock]

Unless an Alien pops out of Ed's chest, I am never surprised at what he does at the poker table.

[ianlippert]

BOOYA!!!

[Russ McGinley]

AND THE RIVER'S A THREE!!!!!!!!!!! THE BIKE IS RIGGED!

[mostsmooth]

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Dear god. i wish i had money like Ed to be able to play like that

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barry made a mistake calling jay the worst player he ever saw

[ianlippert]

No raise?

weak...

[surfinillini]

that hand happened to me last week...granted the pot was a lot smaller for me in a 5/5 game last weekend, my KJ lost to K3 on a KKA5 and river was a 3 board.

that always sucks

[cwsiggy]

Some sick action tonight.

[BarronVangorToth]

He didn't just make ONE mistake, he continued -- left -- and came back and continued some more.

Seriously horrific actions and completely opposite of what you should try to do when you are better than everyone else (or one of the better players at the table).

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Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

OT.
Hey Shirly. I recently switched to playing Just PL OH online. I like it a lot. But i want to play hi/lo and am really confused about the rules of OH hi/lo. Most of the rules for the game i find online are confusing. Do you know of a good website where i can learn the rules?

[mostsmooth]

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He didn't just make ONE mistake, he continued -- left -- and came back and continued some more.

Seriously horrific actions and completely opposite of what you should try to do when you are better than everyone else (or one of the better players at the table).

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Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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i was joking about his particualr comment about jay being the worst, obviously ed has to be the worst player barry has ever seen.

[BarronVangorToth]

Bart,

re: "universal rules"

Anyone can write them up -- but good luck getting EVERYONE to agree to EVERYTHING anyone writes up.

Isn't going to happen.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[cwsiggy]

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OT.
Hey Shirly. I recently switched to playing Just PL OH online. I like it a lot. But i want to play hi/lo and am really confused about the rules of OH hi/lo. Most of the rules for the game i find online are confusing. Do you know of a good website?

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She'll chime in, but read Bobby Baldwin's section in SS2 on Omaha h/l. Very good.

always be scooping! don't leave home without an A2 or A3 (to start as a beginner) You must!!!! use two of your cards but you can use two different cards of your four for the high hand or the low. The best starting hand is A2A3 doublesuited to the ace - Do you see why??

[BarronVangorToth]

Bart,

Please confirm:

Collection is FIFTEEN dollars per HALF hour?

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[Russ McGinley]

Bart, you may want to buy some lozenges from the gift shop at this rate. Almost every hand somebody is making a brain-dead call or raise or somebody's angle shooting and god knows what else.

Barry still looks pissed off, even dragging in that pot!

[whalekock]

Barry needs to kickback and play a relaxing session of play money with Tuch.

The legend returns home.

[ChuckyB]

Do all games at The Bike move this fast? This is great. I'd kill to have a B&M move like this.

[Russ McGinley]

Holy crap look at all those diamonds. 10 diamonds dead.

[rlr]

BDub comes back to at least even?

This was a great night to watch!

I hereby publicly and with great humilition apologize to everyone on 2+2 for not only some of my plays, but for my demeanor. I had some personal issues with an ill family member and I really get pissed with continued suckouts, bad playing and any two cards play. Add that to Ed's angle shot and, well, I lost it.

My cumulative card in school alsways said "doesn't play well with others" and I think they are right. I had no business insulting (or complimenting?) Jay on his plays, it was wrong on many levels. For this I apologize, too.

Anyhow, it was not a good night, however I am comforted in knowing that my my wins far exceed my losses and overall, regardless of what some may think about my abilities, I have consistently played "decent". Also, please make no mistake about my opinion of my abilities. I regard myself as above average, with a long road to hoe. I play beacuse I enjoy it not because I either need the money or care about the money.

So, I thank you all for your support and those that don't support me, well, go f*ck yourselves! (LMAO)

Barry

[gonebroke]

[ QUOTE ]

I hereby publicly and with great humilition apologize to everyone on 2+2 for not only some of my plays, but for my demeanor. I had some personal issues with an ill family member and I really get pissed with continued suckouts, bad playing and any two cards play. Add that to Ed's angle shot and, well, I lost it.

My cumulative card in school alsways said "doesn't play well with others" and I think they are right. I had no business insulting (or complimenting?) Jay on his plays, it was wrong on many levels. For this I apologize, too.

Anyhow, it was not a good night, however I am comforted in knowing that my my wins far exceed my losses and overall, regardless of what some may think about my abilities, I have consistently played "decent". Also, please make no mistake about my opinion of my abilities. I regard myself as above average, with a long road to hoe. I play beacuse I enjoy it not because I either need the money or care about the money.

So, I thank you all for your support and those that don't support me, well, go f*ck yourselves! (LMAO)

Barry

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No need to apologize Barry...happens to everyone. Just had one question about the hand against Avo. Did you call him cause you were on tilt or did you really think you had the best hand? I have made calls like that cause I was on tilt and I just happened to get lucky and be right that time.
If I am sitting with the nut heart in Avo's spot, I will make that same move. I have done it before and have gotten paid off.

Who cares what these clowns on 2+2 say about you. Easy for them to trash you on the sidelines. Lets see them put up the cash and play.

Gonebroke,

here was my explanation to Bart, et al. Hope it makes sense.


Let me explain my thinking, since
I did not have the luxury of seeing everyone's hole cards in the Barry (7h) vs.
Avo (Q).

Though Avo's image is that of a solid player, he is savy enough to make moves, much
like Vic Park, and unlike Dr. BB, Ken Berg and Ed. As an aside, you may remember
a hand that I laid down pocket 8's when Avo bet out on a KQx board holding a 5 and
a 6. It is not above Avo to bet with a draw, a missed draw or nothing. If I were
to fold a pocket pair everyime overs hit the board, I would never play a hand.
On the pocket 7s with a Q on board, I would have to have given credit to Avo for
a Q and a Q only. Could he not have had an ace, a King, AJ pocket 10s or ?

When Avo bet and I called, I did not see Avo as representing a Queen. Well, he
actually could have been representing it, I just didn't give him credit for it.
Would not you, too, make a continuation bet when a high card hits if you raised
or called a preflop raise? I believe I was first to act and raised preflop which
he flat called (I think). This did not represent any significant holding.

The flop had a Q, I checked, Avo bet. Not unusual or suspect. A King comes on
the turn, I check and he checks behind me! Did the K scare him, did he not have
a Q, just maybe A 10, or AJ or just two suited connectors? His check a) gave me
information that he did not have a strong hand and b) allowed me to get my flush.
Who knows, if he was playing a 56 again, everything mssed him and not only did I
have a flush draw, I had a middle pair. Maybe I was still good. I bet the river
after the 4th heart fell. He raised me all-in with no heart! What did he put me
on the whole time? Surely not a pair of 7s! If he had thought I was chasing the
flush, well I got there and since he didn't what the hell was he bluffing at?

I do not think (at least in this case) that you cannot bluff me out of a hand. However,
if a "supposed" pro has 2nd pair with a 4 liner flush on the board and
he believes his opponent was chasing the flush, why the f*ck do you bet? Wasn't
I representing the flush with my value bet on the river? Was I to believe that
his overbet was representing a bigger flush? Could I not have had a J Q K or 10
of hearts?

Further, his 6K bet on the end screamed bluff to me. I did not feel he had a heart
(though not positive). He had invested some substantial coin in the pot, and did
not think he would win at showdown. There was enough money already in the pot,
why bet large...unless you couldn't stand the heat. His bet was telling me he didn't
want a call. If he had the goods and I had nothing, he would have won at showdown.
If he thought I might have a hand, maybe a re-raise (of a lesser amount) would have
given him the information, especially if I re-raised all in.

All in all, I think Avo's play was suspect and not all that great. Maybe mine wasn't
great, but through my thought process (as twisted as it may seem) I figured I was
good and made the call. If the ability and talent of a player is judged by laying
down winning hands because the bets are large, then I submit there is an intrinsic
flaw in the evaluation. If that were the case, and overbets ALWAYS represented
strength, then every initial re-raise would result in 8-way folds. At some point
EVERYONE bets to represent a holding other than the true cards, and gets looked
up. Sometimes they get unlucky and lose. That's poker.

I still feel I played the hand well, and you are free to disagree with me. Remember,
you have the luxury of seeing all the cards and then extrapolating the thought process.
We do not.

[tomdemaine]

very nice post. I'm going to start rooting for you. Lay off the berating /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[cwsiggy]

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If that were the case, and overbets ALWAYS represented
strength, then every initial re-raise would result in 8-way folds. At some point
EVERYONE bets to represent a holding other than the true cards, and gets looked
up. Sometimes they get unlucky and lose. That's poker.

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Isn't Prahlad Friedman's and any great no limit players game based on this concept. Overbet premium draws, made hands and occasional bluffs?

[spsurfin_Michael]

Great post Barry

[TomBrooks]

It seems to take too long for the dealt card to appear on the screen. Could that be made to show up faster?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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It seems to take too long for the dealt card to appear on the screen. Could that be made to show up faster?

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I've been in the booth and can see it's a tough job. The cards need to be hand entered from nine little CRT screens onto another display. This past week I believe Eveliene (the Live @ Bike Producer who performs this thankless task) is on vacation so it may not be done as quickly as it normally is.

~ Rick

[Vincent Lepore]

Are you sure it's not cause some old Italian can't read the cards?

Vince

[Roswell]

A note about the guy Ed, who was playing in the 50/100 NL on wednesday. I was playing at the Bike last night and asked about him. According to another player in the game, he is a "bona-fide billionaire." Apparently he owns some kind of construction company. One day he lost $90,000 at the Bike and was heard to comment, "that nothing, My company's stock went down 0.40 today and my net worth went down by $40 million."