KQo PF?

[Woolygimp]

Should I call with this PF?
If i decide to raise should I raise more?
Fold river?

***** Hand History for Game 3161955071 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, December 07, 20:06:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 69192 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bob1635 ( $173.90 )
Seat 4: jugadi ( $170.05 )
Seat 6: xFU_PAY_MEx ( $462.50 )
Seat 9: kasmo1 ( $252.40 )
Seat 10: Gambler9305 ( $183.60 )
Seat 5: papag0rgi0 ( $189 )
Seat 2: jimmyfloyd79 ( $237.30 )
Seat 7: gpmoney13 ( $193.70 )
Seat 8: hotwop111 ( $196 )
Seat 3: GoldMiner112 ( $198 )
gpmoney13 posts small blind [$1].
hotwop111 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to papag0rgi0 [ Kh Qc ]
kasmo1 calls [$2].
Gambler9305 folds.
bob1635 folds.
jimmyfloyd79 folds.
GoldMiner112 calls [$2].
jugadi folds.
papag0rgi0 raises [$10].
gpmoney13 calls [$9].
hotwop111 folds.
kasmo1 folds.
GoldMiner112 calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, 6d, Td ]
gpmoney13 checks.
GoldMiner112 checks.
papag0rgi0 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
gpmoney13 checks.
GoldMiner112 checks.
papag0rgi0 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
gpmoney13 bets [$10].
GoldMiner112 folds.
papag0rgi0 folds.
gpmoney13 does not show cards.
gpmoney13 wins $42.30

[Big_Jim]

PF is fine.

Call river.

[Woolygimp]

Well his river bet is either a value bet or a bluff. 1/3 pot is a small amount for a bluff, so I thought he was trying to extract value with his hand. Provided it's the latter, I don't see many holdings that I'm ahead of here (even with odds).

[Big_Jim]

Qx Tx bluff.

Nobdy has shown ANY strength thus far, you are good here a lot.

[Woolygimp]

good points

[Bukem_]

Bet the flop and represent the ace.

[Big_Jim]

Can't continuation bet EVERY flop, and this looks like about as good a flop as any not to do so on.

[Bukem_]

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Can't continuation bet EVERY flop, and this looks like about as good a flop as any not to do so on.

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Why else is he jacking it up preflop if he isn't going to represent the ace. Its vs two weak limpers.

[Big_Jim]

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Why else is he jacking it up preflop if he isn't going to represent the ace.

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Because he likely has the best hand, and if not, he probably has a ton of equity vs. them.

Since we have no history/reads, we don't know how likely it is that one of them has Ax and will call the bet with it. We also have no idea what hero's image is, or how likely it is that he'll be check/raised.

Blindly betting at all A high flops (especially when we could just take our free card to the nuts) just because we are the PF raiser and they have shown weakness doesn't seem like a good way to go about things.

Don't raise pre-flop in late position if your not going to bet on the floo when it has been check round to you.

[Big_Jim]

Bad second post.

I disagree.

[Woolygimp]

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Can't continuation bet EVERY flop, and this looks like about as good a flop as any not to do so on.

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[Leptyne]

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Why else is he jacking it up preflop if he isn't going to represent the ace.

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Because he likely has the best hand, and if not, he probably has a ton of equity vs. them.

Since we have no history/reads, we don't know how likely it is that one of them has Ax and will call the bet with it. We also have no idea what hero's image is, or how likely it is that he'll be check/raised.

Blindly betting at all A high flops (especially when we could just take our free card to the nuts) just because we are the PF raiser and they have shown weakness doesn't seem like a good way to go about things.

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This is NL 101 stuff.

[Big_Jim]

I thought so too, but it apparently needed explaining.

[billyjex]

Why isn't this a turn bet? You've been checked to twice. Most people would bet the turn if they had something.. why not bet for value/protection/cheap showdown if unimproved on river?

[Bukem_]

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I thought so too, but it apparently needed explaining.

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You really wanna check this down and let 33 take it?

[ansky451]

I'd probably bet flop, but sometimes I check jsut to be a little random.

If i check flop I bet hte turn though.

If I checked the turn and flop I'd call the river. He knows with about 95% certainty you don't have an ace.

[Woolygimp]

I agree, I should've called the river. Live and Learn

[Big_Jim]

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You really wanna check this down and let 33 take it?

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You really wanna make wild ass assumptions about what I wanna do?

[Woolygimp]

Current consensus is that I should've: Checked the flop, bet the turn, and as played called the river.

[yvesaint]

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I thought so too, but it apparently needed explaining.

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You really wanna check this down and let 33 take it?

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on the flop, sure, but if 33 wants to stick around when a 4th overcard falls on the turn, ill make a big ol note of it and make sure to value bet value bet value bet him later

[ansky451]

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I thought so too, but it apparently needed explaining.

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You really wanna check this down and let 33 take it?

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on the flop, sure, but if 33 wants to stick around when a 4th overcard falls on the turn, ill make a big ol note of it and make sure to value bet value bet value bet him later

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Huh? He checked the turn, the 33 didn't have a choice in sticking around or not.

[yvesaint]

no i meant this is a bad flop to c-bet on, but if its checked to him twice he should bet the turn, meaning 33 probably drops out

[Bukem_]

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no i meant this is a bad flop to c-bet on, but if its checked to him twice he should bet the turn, meaning 33 probably drops out

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I don't think its the best flop to bet on, and i check a decent amount of flops.

I still think its better than checking though. They drop most hands that are now beating us, and we don't give them a free card to hit a 2 outer or gutshot.

Our hand doesn't have much showdown value, and its harder to represent a hand or the ace once we check the flop.

No one else agrees with me though so I won't press this.

[ansky451]

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no i meant this is a bad flop to c-bet on, but if its checked to him twice he should bet the turn, meaning 33 probably drops out

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"oh"

[Big_Jim]

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No one else agrees with me though so I won't press this.

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I just don't agree with the fact that you seem to think you need to bet this flop 100% of the time.

I bet the flop here a LOT of the time.

[Bukem_]

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No one else agrees with me though so I won't press this.

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I just don't agree with the fact that you seem to think you need to bet this flop 100% of the time.

I bet the flop here a LOT of the time.

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100% agree, I'm not trying to say bet it every time.