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1C5

12-07-2005, 08:12 PM

Just happened.

The guy tells me I play like Sh%t 30 seconds before this hand.

Look at the stack sizes, haha.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

BB (t740)
UTG (t2820)
Hero (t4000)
SB (t440)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t400, Hero raises to t4000 (All-In), 2 folds, UTG calls t2420 (All-In).

Flop: (t7420) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t7420) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t7420) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t7420

He showed AJo.

johnnybeef

12-07-2005, 08:15 PM

Yo, if you are going to be making posts like this at least make them legitimate. This call was bad, but I have seen a lot worse.

Sciolist

12-07-2005, 08:15 PM

Er, he called you with a dominating hand - real bad decision. If this is the worst call you've seen, you haven't been watching very closely. He thought he'd riled you, he was right, this post proves it.

Apathy

12-07-2005, 08:17 PM

You got pwn3d hard.

Plus: When i saw the title I only opened th ethread to see how FAR this would be from the worst call I have seen, then noted in was preflop... nodded.. then (to my surprise) noted the caller was in fact a dominationg favorite in the hand. Man you must play with some world class players if this is the biggest mistake of a call youve seen

P.S. Your push is terrible. yes, terrible.

Shillx

12-07-2005, 08:17 PM

Damn dude I was expecting 52o or something. It is bad but no way it could be the worst in 3000+ sngs. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

1C5

12-07-2005, 08:19 PM

I just mean in terms of stack sizes, not hand strength. Don't worry, I still snuck in a 3rd place finish. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

splashpot

12-07-2005, 08:19 PM

Dude. I've had people call my bet on the river with 10 high. On the RIVER. With no more cards to come. He CALLED, not raised.

UMTerp

12-07-2005, 08:19 PM

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Damn dude I was expecting 52o or something.

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1C5

12-07-2005, 08:21 PM

I like my push there, those 2 small stacks were folding like there is no tomorrow.

valenzuela

12-07-2005, 08:21 PM

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Er, he called you with a dominating hand - real bad decision. If this is the worst call you've seen, you haven't been watching very closely. He thought he'd riled you, he was right, this post proves it.

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Actually the call was awful. I mean horrible, stuff, horrible.

Freudian

12-07-2005, 08:21 PM

Had a guy call my 11xBB push with 86s yesterday.

splashpot

12-07-2005, 08:24 PM

Reminds me of that time I was watching Zee in the Party Miliion final table. Guy called Zee's push with Q2 or some trash. And that was with tens of thousands of dollars on the line.

pineapple888

12-07-2005, 08:25 PM

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Had a guy call my 11xBB push with 86s yesterday.

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Heck, this happens to me almost every day. 22s and 33s are full of spite callers.

pineapple888

12-07-2005, 08:27 PM

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You got pwn3d hard.

Plus: When i saw the title I only opened th ethread to see how FAR this would be from the worst call I have seen, then noted in was preflop... nodded.. then (to my surprise) noted the caller was in fact a dominationg favorite in the hand. Man you must play with some world class players if this is the biggest mistake of a call youve seen

P.S. Your push is terrible. yes, terrible.

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Just in case it's not clear, your push is terrible because the guy is obviously a donk. You should only do this against thinking players...

1C5

12-07-2005, 08:29 PM

True, but even most donks will still be smart enough to fold a non AA/KK hand here.

EDIT, maybe they won't be that tight but, I still like my push here.

pineapple888

12-07-2005, 08:37 PM

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True, but even most donks will still be smart enough to fold a non AA/KK hand here.

EDIT, maybe they won't be that tight but, I still like my push here.

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Oh, boy. I have to strongly disagree with your first statement. "First or fourth" is a very common attitude even among otherwise decent players.

zipppy

12-07-2005, 08:42 PM

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True, but even most donks will still be smart enough to fold a non AA/KK hand here.

EDIT, maybe they won't be that tight but, I still like my push here.

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Oh, boy. I have to strongly disagree with your first statement. "First or fourth" is a very common attitude even among otherwise decent players.

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although winning this hand is a far cry from wrapping up first. at this point in the tourney with those stack sizes, getting ITM should be 1st priority, IMO.

1C5

12-07-2005, 08:43 PM

See my edit, let me put it this way, most donks will fold a hand here that they are limping in the first place.

SammyKid11

12-07-2005, 08:43 PM

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P.S. Your push is terrible. yes, terrible.

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No, it isn't. This is classic bullying. Two shorties about to bust out, there are lots of players who would call with nothing but AA-KK, many more who wouldn't call with more than AA-JJ, AK.

The call was ridiculously stupid -- it matters not in the least that he ended up being in a dominating position.

However, this is not anything close to the worst call you've seen. If you think it is after 3000+ SnG's, then you haven't been paying close enough attention.

12-07-2005, 08:52 PM

Can we get some context? Had you been making plays like this for a while?

pineapple888

12-07-2005, 08:56 PM

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See my edit, let me put it this way, most donks will fold a hand here that they are limping in the first place.

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Well, I don't think it's so clear-cut. Many will try to "trap" against the "bully" with their "monster" AJ... especially if they are pissed at you already... like in this hand. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

And before anyone else writes about how wrong this is... I know it's wrong... I'm explaining how the donk thinks.

12-07-2005, 08:57 PM

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Yo, if you are going to be making posts like this at least make them legitimate. This call was bad, but I have seen a lot worse.

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I've been called here and been a favorite tons of times, and I've played like 3 SnGs.

1C5

12-07-2005, 08:59 PM

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See my edit, let me put it this way, most donks will fold a hand here that they are limping in the first place.

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Well, I don't think it's so clear-cut. Many will try to "trap" against the "bully" with their "monster" AJ... especially if they are pissed at you already... like in this hand. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

And before anyone else writes about how wrong this is... I know it's wrong... I'm explaining how the donk thinks.

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Yeah, he "trapped" me. haha, oh well.

Melchiades

12-07-2005, 09:05 PM

This is a good push....if your opponent is good. If he had been berating you for the way you played before the hand, the push is horrible. Since I'm guessing he thinks you suck for pushing a lot and abusing the bubble. If he doesn't get that, and is trashtalking, he will call with a lot here. Might even spitcall. Horrible call though, but I've witnessed worse.

tigerite

12-07-2005, 09:35 PM

This at a $109, please note the blind sizes and stuff.

I had a read on the raiser as an absolutely huge LAG and on the caller to his raise as an absolutely huge fish.. I don't usually overpush like this.

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 2 - 10 players (Converter: PGC (http://client.pokergrader.com))

Chip Counts:
Button: 1330 Chips
SB: 1350 Chips
Hero: 975 Chips
UTG: 1050 Chips
UTG+1: 975 Chips
MP1: 490 Chips
MP2: 1055 Chips
MP3: 945 Chips
LP1: 655 Chips
CO: 1175 Chips

Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Blinds are 15/30

PreFlop
UTG folds, UTG+1 RAISES ($150), MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, LP1 Calls, CO folds, Button folds
SB folds, Hero is All-In, UTG+1 folds, LP1 is All-In

(2 players) FLOP: 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ( Pot Size: 1795 Chips )

(2 players) TURN: 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif ( Pot Size: 1795 Chips )

(2 players) RIVER: A/images/graemlins/spade.gif ( Pot Size: 1795 Chips )

Final Pot:1795 Chips

Results in white below:
BB shows:QdAh,a pair of aces
LP1 shows:8hKh,a pair of eights

bigt439

12-07-2005, 09:45 PM

That's gotta be one helluva read. Looks like it might have been.

tigerite

12-07-2005, 09:46 PM

I'd played both of them before.. the LAG had some ridiculous stats like 58/38 and the fish 48/3. Appallingly bad.

12-07-2005, 09:47 PM

OMGOMG what a suckout king you are i can't believe you hit that ace on the river he had a flushdraw AND a pair!!11!one!!

holla

jwvdcw

12-07-2005, 10:00 PM

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P.S. Your push is terrible. yes, terrible.

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Couldn't disagree more with this.

Apathy

12-07-2005, 10:02 PM

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P.S. Your push is terrible. yes, terrible.

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No, it isn't. This is classic bullying. Two shorties about to bust out, there are lots of players who would call with nothing but AA-KK, many more who wouldn't call with more than AA-JJ, AK.

The call was ridiculously stupid -- it matters not in the least that he ended up being in a dominating position.

However, this is not anything close to the worst call you've seen. If you think it is after 3000+ SnG's, then you haven't been paying close enough attention.

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What is this "classic" bullying you speak of?!? It sounds so amazing and magical I wish I knew something about it...

Umm seriously though once you get past the stage in your poker life of making the "right" play that incorrectly assumes a corresponding "correct" play from your opponent you will be a signifigantly better player.

jwvdcw

12-07-2005, 10:03 PM

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See my edit, let me put it this way, most donks will fold a hand here that they are limping in the first place.

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Well, I don't think it's so clear-cut. Many will try to "trap" against the "bully" with their "monster" AJ... especially if they are pissed at you already... like in this hand. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

And before anyone else writes about how wrong this is... I know it's wrong... I'm explaining how the donk thinks.

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Yeah, he "trapped" me. haha, oh well.

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Although I will defend your move, I will say that this move works a lot better when your opponent isn't pissed off at you, which you implied that he was.

durron597

12-07-2005, 10:11 PM

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P.S. Your push is terrible. yes, terrible.

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If he had a read that the SB would fold a wide range of hands, no it isn't.

12-07-2005, 10:29 PM

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"First or fourth" is a very common attitude even among otherwise decent players.

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Sam T.

12-07-2005, 11:17 PM

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Reminds me of that time I was watching Zee in the Party Miliion final table. Guy called Zee's push with Q2 or some trash. And that was with tens of thousands of dollars on the line.

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I saw this. It was truly remarkable. Guy can't have slept since.

12-07-2005, 11:26 PM

At level 1 I made a 6BB raise with KK and some guy from MP calls. Flop comes something like 10-2-5 rainbow. I go all in for my whole stack (700) he calls with his stack of same amount. I turn over KK he turns over A8o and ofc hits a backdoor wheel.

12-07-2005, 11:39 PM

If you'd been pushing every hand, I might have called with this. [edit: I meant this is response to OP]

1C5

12-07-2005, 11:42 PM

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If you'd been pushing every hand, I might have called with this. [edit: I meant this is response to OP]

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fish. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

bluef0x

12-07-2005, 11:45 PM

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If you'd been pushing every hand, I might have called with this. [edit: I meant this is response to OP]

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Absolutely horrible, even if he's pushing any two you should fold this.

TheNoodleMan

12-07-2005, 11:55 PM

this was about 10 minutes ago...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

UTG (t2055)
UTG+1 (t1150)
MP1 (t1130)
Hero (t1740)
CO (t315)
Button (t2230)
SB (t2840)
BB (t2040)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, Hero raises to t1740(All-In), CO calls t315 (All-In), Button raises to t2230, 2 folds.

Flop: (t4585) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t4585) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4585) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t4585

Results below:
Hero has Kd Ks (two pair, kings and jacks).
CO has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and jacks).
Button has 4h 6c (two pair, jacks and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins t3340. CO wins t1245.

12-07-2005, 11:55 PM

Actually, I wouldn't have been faced with a call because I would have pushed the A-J to begin with.

Maybe I suck.

yabastid

12-08-2005, 12:47 AM

Umm seriously though once you get past the stage in your poker life of making the "right" play that incorrectly assumes a corresponding "correct" play from your opponent you will be a signifigantly better player.

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Money, baby. Money.

ZeeJustin

12-08-2005, 12:57 AM

Jesus, 3,000 sngs and you honestly think this is the worst call you've ever seen? It's barely bad.

12-08-2005, 12:57 AM

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Umm seriously though once you get past the stage in your poker life of making the "right" play that incorrectly assumes a corresponding "correct" play from your opponent you will be a signifigantly better player.

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Profound. You gotta incorporate the game theory concept of common knowledge of rationality (or lack thereof) while deciding the "correct" play.

durron597

12-08-2005, 01:15 AM

I have had two respected posters ask me to do something about this thread. The issue has been resolved, I'm locking it.