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xJMPx
12-07-2005, 06:09 PM
No one at this table is particularly loose.

PartyPoker - NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Tournament | Level: 4 - 6 players (Converter: PGC (http://client.pokergrader.com))

Chip Counts:
Button: 940 Chips
SB: 1580 Chips
BB: 1525 Chips
<font color="red">Hero: 1065 Chips</font>
UTG+1: 1055 Chips
CO: 1835 Chips

Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/club.gif
Blinds are 50/100

PreFlop
Hero ????

pineapple888
12-07-2005, 06:12 PM
I don't know. I probably limp cause I can't bring myself to do anything else, but that might very well be wrong. Fire away.

junkmail3
12-07-2005, 06:16 PM
Pu pu push/!

Paul Thomson
12-07-2005, 06:22 PM
tough situation. An over-card will fall on the flop more than half the time, therefore calling doesn't look appealing. If you raise and are called, then you're likely behind. A raise will commit nearly 1/4 of your stack. If you raise and everyone folds, then you add nearly 15% to your stack. Given the above facts, I'd raise if there were 3 or maybe 4 opponents. But with so many opponents I'd fold.

jeffraider
12-07-2005, 06:28 PM
I think raising to 300 and calling a reraise sounds good.

liucipher
12-07-2005, 06:32 PM
This is +6.2%/+$12.38 against even maniac (22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs) ranges behind you.

Push.

xJMPx
12-07-2005, 06:37 PM
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This is +6.2%/+$12.38 against even maniac (22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs) ranges behind you.

Push.

[/ QUOTE ] This is a lot higher than what I got...

junkmail3
12-07-2005, 06:38 PM
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tough situation. An over-card will fall on the flop more than half the time, therefore calling doesn't look appealing. If you raise and are called, then you're likely behind. A raise will commit nearly 1/4 of your stack. If you raise and everyone folds, then you add nearly 15% to your stack. Given the above facts, I'd raise if there were 3 or maybe 4 opponents. But with so many opponents I'd fold.

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Eh, you're only dead to JJ+, that's only four hands. You're ahead of everything else, and hands like AJ and AQ very well might fold. (Same with JJ, but not as likely)

I don't mind taking my chances of running into JJ+.

I'll just suckout.

liucipher
12-07-2005, 06:41 PM
Lol, I had accidentally left the blinds at Lvl 7 from before.

I's still +1.5% or so against a mix of loose to average ranges. The tighter the play, the closer it gets to 1.0%.

pineapple888
12-07-2005, 06:48 PM
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Lol, I had accidentally left the blinds at Lvl 7 from before.

I's still +1.5% or so against a mix of loose to average ranges. The tighter the play, the closer it gets to 1.0%.

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That's more like it. Who knows, maybe a limp would work well after all, if you can avoid some downside. Or maybe I just like to play poker every now and then /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

ilya
12-07-2005, 06:57 PM
Clear shove, I don't like any other play.

xJMPx
12-07-2005, 07:07 PM
Something I forgot to mention, I pushed the hand before and picked up the blinds.

This change anything?

ilya
12-07-2005, 07:10 PM
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Something I forgot to mention, I pushed the hand before and picked up the blinds.

This change anything?

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No, if anything that's a good thing for a hand like TT. JJ+ weren't folding anyway but now you're more likely to get a call from a lower pair.

I am basically shoving here no matter what.

pergesu
12-07-2005, 07:12 PM
I think anyone's who doesn't suggest shoving here probably has the 10 BB "rule" in mind. Sometimes you open shove 12+ BB. Here folding should obviously be far too weak, raising commits you, and limping is just...not my style ya heard. I push this with the quickness.

jeffraider
12-07-2005, 07:22 PM
Could we not make it 300 and call a push with the ole "get weaker hands to play all-in against us" routine? Lots of people at this level will fold 66 to your push but come over the top with it 100% of the time.

I normally push here too but I'm letting this idea float around in my head.

pergesu
12-07-2005, 07:42 PM
Sure, as long as you're willing to call a push on the flop getting 2-1. I just hate it when you raise, BB calls with 66 and then pushes a QJ4 board.

I think lots of players will still be glad to call an all-in with a smaller pair, and stuff like A8s. I'd just try to get my money in here and hope I get called by something I dominate...and I'm not going to let KJ see a relatively cheap flop. With QQ I'm still open shoving for sure, AA/KK I might think about getting tricky if the table's not particularly loose, but generally still just shove and hope for a call (which comes more often than you'd think).