View Full Version : (OT) Party poker randomization (just observations, no whining)
EnderFFX
12-07-2005, 06:29 AM
I don't know if it is coincidence, or if it just sticks out in my mind because I play so much poker, or what have you, but it doesn't seem like party poker deals random cards.
I've noticed too many times multiple people having the same hand, or while multitabling, the same hand occuring across multiple tables. (ie similar hands shown or similiar community cards) I'm not saying party is rigged, I'm not saying online poker is unfair, or any of that crap.
I'm just wondering has anyone noticed these things?
tshort
12-07-2005, 06:31 AM
Puke.
EnderFFX
12-07-2005, 06:35 AM
It was just an observation, just curious if anyone else notices this.
GrekeHaus
12-07-2005, 06:56 AM
The human mind is remarkable in it's ability to create patterns out of anything. If we didn't have this ability, we wouldn't really be able to accomplish much. Our brains would behave essentially like low-powered computers that had no creativity and couldn't do anything we weren't told to do.
On the other hand, it causes us to create patterns in things that really aren't there. Because seeing similarities is a pattern, they tend to stick out in your mind. If you're playing 8-10 tables, you will almost always find something. However, consider all the tables you're playing and how almost all of the other combinations that could have happened, didn't happen.
Suppose you're playing 8 tables and you notice that you have similar hole cards on two of the tables and similar hole cards. You've noticed two similarities. However, with 8-tables there are 28 different pairs of hole cards you could have compared. So you're shooting 2/28, which is hardly remarkable.
pokergrader
12-07-2005, 07:08 AM
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The human mind is remarkable in it's ability to create patterns out of anything. If we didn't have this ability, we wouldn't really be able to accomplish much. Our brains would behave essentially like low-powered computers that had no creativity and couldn't do anything we weren't told to do.
On the other hand, it causes us to create patterns in things that really aren't there. Because seeing similarities is a pattern, they tend to stick out in your mind. If you're playing 8-10 tables, you will almost always find something. However, consider all the tables you're playing and how almost all of the other combinations that could have happened, didn't happen.
Suppose you're playing 8 tables and you notice that you have similar hole cards on two of the tables and similar hole cards. You've noticed two similarities. However, with 8-tables there are 28 different pairs of hole cards you could have compared. So you're shooting 2/28, which is hardly remarkable.
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This should just be copy/pasted into every thread where this question is asked. Well said.
tshort
12-07-2005, 07:30 AM
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It was just an observation, just curious if anyone else notices this.
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I apologize if my response was rude. I assumed after 344 posts you had already discovered the topic of randomness in internet gambling.
You could obtain a good comparison for your observations. Go to a casino and record a few hundred or few thousand hands. Group them into sets of eight and you will find plenty of similarities in starting hands, flops, etc.
Further, I think it is easy to prove that online cards are more random than cards in a casino. I wouldn't doubt that searching the internet gambling and other forums would produce related threads.
You know you're wrong on this. The fact of the matter is, that there are very few situations in which a person can verify randomness because we don't understand probability at all.
EnderFFX
12-07-2005, 08:47 AM
I've read all the topics on internet gambling, randomness, RNG, complaints about online poker being rigged, etc etc. I just had a series of hands/games where there were so many similarities that I thought I would post my thoughts.
mosdef
12-07-2005, 10:14 AM
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we don't understand probability at all.
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Speak for yourself /images/graemlins/wink.gif
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we don't understand probability at all.
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Speak for yourself /images/graemlins/wink.gif
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You need to post this in the zoo where the flames are alot funnier.
tshort
12-07-2005, 10:45 AM
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You need to post this in the zoo where the flames are alot funnier.
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I agree. Please repost in the Zoo and update us on the thread.
Maulik
12-07-2005, 10:53 AM
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we don't understand probability at all.
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Speak for yourself /images/graemlins/wink.gif
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and what I don't Toronto mosdef me. /images/graemlins/cool.gif
UMTerp
12-07-2005, 01:03 PM
Originallyposted by EnderFFX:
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Blah blah blah...
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Come on Scott, you're better than that.
Slim Pickens
12-07-2005, 01:11 PM
1) One time I noticed something like that, but then realized one table was an Empire and the other a Party, post-split. Then I felt stupid for even noticing it.
2) My housemate who doesn't play poker pointed out that by switching hands between two of my tables, I wouls have flopped full houses on both. I was proud of myself for not noticing this until someone pointed it out.
I just came on to say the best cure for this is multitabling across sites (try 4) but Slim (implicitly) beat me to it.
Anyway it cured this resolute pattern finder...
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Well? We are still waiting for one. /images/graemlins/confused.gif
good2cu
12-08-2005, 09:34 PM
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The human mind is remarkable in it's ability to create patterns out of anything. If we didn't have this ability, we wouldn't really be able to accomplish much. Our brains would behave essentially like low-powered computers that had no creativity and couldn't do anything we weren't told to do.
On the other hand, it causes us to create patterns in things that really aren't there. Because seeing similarities is a pattern, they tend to stick out in your mind. If you're playing 8-10 tables, you will almost always find something. However, consider all the tables you're playing and how almost all of the other combinations that could have happened, didn't happen.
Suppose you're playing 8 tables and you notice that you have similar hole cards on two of the tables and similar hole cards. You've noticed two similarities. However, with 8-tables there are 28 different pairs of hole cards you could have compared. So you're shooting 2/28, which is hardly remarkable.
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Have you read "Fooled by Randomness"?
A couple nights ago I was delighted to see QQ for the second hand in a row. I happily called an all-in and then noticed that my QQ was actually a Q8. Now I wonder if I even had QQ once...
mlagoo
12-08-2005, 09:37 PM
FAR OUT MAANNN
Being technologically challenged, I two-table at most, on Party. I have more than once held the same two pocket cards, dealt in the same order, on both tables at the same time. Could be a coincidence. Probably is. Looks funny just the same.
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Being technologically challenged, I two-table at most, on Party. I have more than once held the same two pocket cards, dealt in the same order, on both tables at the same time. Could be a coincidence. Probably is. Looks funny just the same.
[/ QUOTE ]It would be odd if you never saw the same two pocket cards.
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