Who peels the flop here?

[jba]

same TAG as the AK hand, 24/17/2 nothing out of line

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>

[joop]

I fold the flop given his 3betting range from the SB has you dominated, you could easily hit your pair, or your BD flush, and still have the worst hand.

Two possibly dominated overcards and a medium backdoor flush...effective outs are maybe 3. We don't call weak draws so it's Fold/raise, and fold is obv. ten times better than raise.

[imported_leader]

I think his range is mostly things that have you in a bad way. Like: AA-88, AK-AJo, AK-ATs, KQ, KQ-KJs, QJs. That might be too tight but even if you expand it you're still [censored]. So fold.

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We don't call weak draws

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we don't?

did aggrohushposter sit you in a corner and yell at you?

[yellowjack]

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We don't call weak draws

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we don't?

did aggrohushposter sit you in a corner and yell at you?

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Has aggrohushposter restricted himself to MHSH?

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Has aggrohushposter restricted himself to MHSH?

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This would be tragic /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Jinx]

I initially voted call, but after I saw that you raised after UTG limped and SB still 3 bet, I guess it's a fold.

[Weatherhead03]

Given his stats and the fact that you have a hand that is easily dominated I think there is no possible way you can call this flop. You have iffy overcards and and BD flush draw. Easy Fold.

[TomBrooks]

Fold the flop,

and my default play preflop is to fold KTo after a limper.

[jaxUp]

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my default play preflop is to fold KTo after a limper.

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This sounds really weak. I might consider folding it vs a tight UTG limp, but against anybody else (including unknown) I am raising.

[car ramrod]

I don't think I would call here. I don't see us having 5 outs here, maybe 4, likely 3.5. Our hand can be easily dominated, so we have to discount our K's and T's too much for me to peel.

[TomBrooks]

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my default play preflop is to fold KTo after a limper.

[/ QUOTE ]This sounds really weak. I might consider folding it vs a tight UTG limp, but against anybody else (including unknown) I am raising.

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I'm just going by matasm's starting hand chart. I don't deviate from it much as I don't trust my SH instincts very much yet. Looking at my stats though, I see there were in fact some times I've limped with it after a limper and some times I've raised with it after a limper. I also see I'm -.08BB/hand with it after 215 SH occurances.

[krimson]

I said fold. I see no real reason to chase a slim draw when the chance of being dominated is so high.

[POKhER]

Blahhhh fold, Your K/T may be screwed and theres a flush draw also.

Ditch it.