5/10 VPIP major hole

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after 3k hands, my VPIP is 12.04
Im too tight!!!!

I have a few questions
1) A few weak players call in early and mid position. I am in cutoff with KTs. Do I raise? (ive been just calling)

Same question and now I have KQo (i usually call)

2) I have KJo on the button and there is one limper (I usually call)


3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)

4) I have 44 on the button and it is folded to me (I usually fold)

5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)



Can anyone else think of a mistake you guys see alot that weak-tight players are doing? Thanks in advance

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You're talking about vpip, but in all your examples you're calling except one.

It's really not possible to say which hands you can play profitably that you're not playing now just by reading your OP. However, the last time I spoke with someone with a very low vpip, they didn't seem to really understand the impact of position and their vpip was high in EP than it was OTB. If I were you, I'd just spend some time focusing on your PF play. During a session write down some hands that you folded but wasn't sure, and post those. Also, just spend some more time reading posts and questioning PF play.

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1) A few weak players call in early and mid position. I am in cutoff with KTs. Do I raise? (ive been just calling)



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well if they are weak, and you have a read on the blinds. I'd do it once in a while. but i personally have this hate on for KT, suited or not. so i'll go with a 50/50, if you feel good about it and you are running good, definite raise.

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Same question and now I have KQo (i usually call)


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this one goes upstairs. like 99% of the time. if any of them had a better hand, the would have raised already.

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2) I have KJo on the button and there is one limper (I usually call)


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the bachelor hand. easy raise. every single time. against a single limper, one raise, the blinds clear, limper calls. flop comes XXX, limper checks, you bet, limper folds.

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3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)


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it seems i never have these situations with 4 limpers and me in position with A2s. call and hope to see the right suit on the flop.

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4) I have 44 on the button and it is folded to me (I usually fold)


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read on the blinds would help. if you have a read on them as weak tight or people who fold to steals. take it upstairs. this is a definite raise/fold situation. if you feel good about your postflop play, a raise is definite +ev

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5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)


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table dependent. if its a VPIP 25+ i am calling. if its a tight table, i am folding. if my hate for KT is bad, I hate QT even more.



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I see a lot of weak tight players not value betting lots. but i think i fall into that zone about 70% of the time also.

it would seem that you dont attempt to steal the blinds often enough, if ever. and that your raising standards whether it be open raising or raising with limpers is extremely tight. you'd be surprised how one raise preflop can dictate the rest of the hand. people play differently if there is a raise preflop, some become tigher, and others just get worse. throw a few raises, watch how people respond to boards, make notes of any weaknesses, and exploit next orbit round.

[lighterjobs]

3k hands isn't really enough to get an overall feel for your game, but i guess it's a good start. you might have been on a bad run of cards or been facing a lot of loose players that you didn't want to cold call a lot of hands with.

[correia]

This really depends on the table and the blind play but...

1) A few weak players call in early and mid position. I am in cutoff with KTs. (ive been just calling)
Fold



2) I have KJo on the button and there is one limper (I usually call)
Raise


3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)
Fold

4) I have 44 on the button and it is folded to me (I usually fold)
Raise
5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)
Auto Fold

[27offsooot]

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This really depends on the table and the blind play but...

1) A few weak players call in early and mid position. I am in cutoff with KTs. (ive been just calling)
Fold



2) I have KJo on the button and there is one limper (I usually call)
Raise


3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)
Fold

4) I have 44 on the button and it is folded to me (I usually fold)
Raise
5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)
Auto Fold

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Me likey me hand. Me raise. Me no likey. Me fold. Seriously, calling is allowed in poker. It's that button right between folding and raising.

All of these situations depends on more specific situations and some of them are closer than others. Anyway, i haven't played full ring in a while, but here are my responses:

1. Raise or call. But I usually raise in CO, on button, i'm more apt to call and it depends on blinds, limpers, etc.
2. Raise.
3. Call.
4. Call/ fold/ raise. Depends on blinds, flow of game, how aggressive i've been.
5. Limp or fold, depending on table.

So only 2 and 3 are pretty much always the same.

[Wyers]

3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)
Fold

Huh?!? These are ideal conditions to limp in with this hand. This is a costly fold.

5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)
Auto Fold

No this is not an Auto Fold. Why would you not limp in with this hand at a loose passive table?

Even #1 (KTs) is situational and often worthy of a limp (or raise).

[correia]

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3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)
Fold

Huh?!? These are ideal conditions to limp in with this hand. This is a costly fold.

5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)
Auto Fold

No this is not an Auto Fold. Why would you not limp in with this hand at a loose passive table?

Even #1 (KTs) is situational and often worthy of a limp (or raise).

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The a2 suited maybe, but I don't think it is at all a costly fold. Why would you raise in the cutoff with the k10? Obviously not for value, also not to isolate because most of the original callers are going to call your raise anyway. These posts are pretty much worthless without a description of the types of players at the table. Q10 is not a hand i like playing UTG under any conditions.

[pauliewalnuts]

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This really depends on the table and the blind play but...

1) A few weak players call in early and mid position. I am in cutoff with KTs. (ive been just calling)
Fold



2) I have KJo on the button and there is one limper (I usually call)
Raise


3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)
Fold

4) I have 44 on the button and it is folded to me (I usually fold)
Raise
5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)
Auto Fold

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I dont mean to be harsh, but if you are folding in examples 1 and 3, you shouldnt be giving advice. Raising KTs in the CO after 2 weak limpers is as automatic for me as rasing AA UTG. But I'm sure some limp here. Whatever, as long as you dont fold. And as someone else mentioned already, when are you limping A2s if not this scenario. It is the perfect spot. Also, I usually limp QTs UTG, but I dont think youre losing much by folding.

[correia]

If you were to limp with a2 suited then yes it would be the perfect time. I don't think you are losing anything by folding Q10 utg in a full ring game.

[correia]

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when are you limping A2s if not this scenario. It is the perfect spot.

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What if this was a2 offsuit?

[pauliewalnuts]

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when are you limping A2s if not this scenario. It is the perfect spot.

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What if this was a2 offsuit?

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Easy fold. Your hand has value because it is suited. Suited hands gain value in multiway pots. Offsuit hands in turn, go down in value.

[correia]

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when are you limping A2s if not this scenario. It is the perfect spot.

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What if this was a2 offsuit?

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Easy fold. Your hand has value because it is suited. Suited hands gain value in multiway pots. Offsuit hands in turn, go down in value.

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Thanks for the tip.

[Wyers]

The a2 suited maybe, but I don't think it is at all a costly fold. Why would you raise in the cutoff with the k10? Obviously not for value, also not to isolate because most of the original callers are going to call your raise anyway. These posts are pretty much worthless without a description of the types of players at the table. Q10 is not a hand i like playing UTG under any conditions.

I found it difficult to read the remainder of your post after seeing that first line.

If you aren't going to play A2s after 4 limpers then yes it is a very costly mistake.

KTs in LP and QTs UTG are also hands that can be played in various manners from their respective positions. True, if you plan on limping in from UTG when QTs you better be sure that the table conditions are appropriate. But to say it is an "auto fold" is very wrong.

[correia]

There is really no correct answer to the OP's question. Any answer would be correct in some situations, and incorrect in others. I'm just giving my general opinion that hands like Q10 are usually not profitable UTG in a full game. We can agree to disagree.

[oxymoron]

1) A few weak players call in early and mid position. I am in cutoff with KTs. Do I raise? (ive been just calling)

I raise to buy the button and vary my play on the flop. I used to make the mistake of autobetting most flops and I'm working on correcting that now.

Same question and now I have KQo (i usually call)

Raise always when everyone limps.

2) I have KJo on the button and there is one limper (I usually call)

I raise to limit the field isolate the limper and you have position. The blinds will fold or if they are decent will 3bet.

3) I have A2s and there are 4 limpers (I usually call)
I limp. Occasionally if I am in the blinds I will raise knowing everyone is calling to give me better odds at draws.

4) I have 44 on the button and it is folded to me (I usually fold)

I typically raise but would depend on the blinds.

5) I have QTs UTG (I usually call)
Fold - unless you are getting to much respect or the table is loose.

[Harv72b]

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Can anyone else think of a mistake you guys see alot that weak-tight players are doing? Thanks in advance

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-Not adjusting their game play to the table conditions.

-Not attempting to steal the blinds often enough.

That's really all there is--the examples you gave have been gone over pretty well already. So it's often just a case of learning when you can loosen up your limping (and raising) standards on a table; if there are a lot of loose players at the table and it isn't raised preflop all that often, you can get away with limping a lot of hands from a lot of positions. On the other hand, if there are one or two really loose, really bad players, you should be raising with a lot of very borderline hands in an attempt to isolate (note that these hands should uniformly have good high card strength, as loose, bad players can rarely be bluffed out of a pot. At the very least you want a good (KT or better) king to isolate with, maybe something like QJ or QTs if you're really confident in your postflop play).

And then there's stealing the blinds...you need to do it pretty often on 5/10. And, since your opponents are also doing it often, you need to defend your blinds regularly against steal attempts. A pretty good list of hands that you should be stealing with is included in Hold'Em For Advanced Players, and a search of these forums will yeild a ton of discussions about this topic.

3k hands isn't a whole lot, obviously, but VPIP generally firms up pretty quickly. If you're at 12 after that many hands, you're most likely playing a 12 VPIP game. My advice? Play some 6max, either 3/6 or 1/2 as you get used to it. These games are great for learning to take advantage of position and be more aggressive in your play (both pre and postflop). And there are a ton of really, really bad players at the 6max tables, at least on Party.

"Why would you raise in the cutoff with the k10?"

Because you want callers (if you'll get them) You will inflate the pot enabling your draw, and, more importnatly, may get a free turn card.

[Weebl]

Perfect timing, this thread resurfaced in General today.
Nate the Great's You are playing too tight. Nat (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1767198&an=0&page=1#Post 1767198)

It addresses the creeping tightness issue that you are experiencing,and a great discussion of where and when to loosen up PF follows.