another thin value bet post

[amoeba]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB ($180.70)
BB ($623.81)
UTG ($400)
MP :#A500AF(villain)/ ($352.10)
Hero ($593)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP :#A500AF(villain)/ raises to $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $21, MP :#A500AF(villain)/ calls $17.

Flop: ($77) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, villain checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($77) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $35</font>, villain calls $35, Hero calls $35.

River: ($182) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">villain bets $35</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $125</font>, BB folds, villain calls $90.

Final Pot: $432

[meleader2]

whats with the flop line?

[amoeba]

theres no draws I need to protect against and I want to convince villains I have something like JJ or QQ or KK.

[meleader2]

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theres no draws I need to protect against and I want to convince villains I have something like JJ or QQ or KK.

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ok. but, also, do you have reads on the villain? i.e. would they be calling ur PF raise with Ax? if so i think a 1/3 pot bet on flop is good idea to see if you can get a raise out of BB (if you can make them think you have KK).

also, am i correct ur folding to a BB raise on river?

[amoeba]

if bb raises the river, yes I'm folding. but hes almost never 3 bets.

bb is kind of loose and like to bust me with mediocre hands.

villain just got bluffed out by me a few hands ago but I did not show bluff.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Checking flop is fine, but only so that you can raise the turn. Raise the turn!

[meleader2]

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if bb raises the river, yes I'm folding. but hes almost never 3 bets.

bb is kind of loose and like to bust me with mediocre hands.

villain just got bluffed out by me a few hands ago but I did not show bluff.

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i &lt;3 the line then. a lot.

[amoeba]

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Checking flop is fine, but only so that you can raise the turn. Raise the turn!

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yeah maybe I should have.

2 people with 3 outers become 6 outs against me eh?

I'll wait a while longer until giving results.

[TheWorstPlayer]

How do you know one or both of them dont have 8 or 9 outs?

[amoeba]

hmm good point. didn't consider spade draw.

yeah I think turn raise is best.

[jkkkk]

Bet the flop?

I just call the river.

[amoeba]

well villain showed AK and took it down.

I didn't think he would open minraise from the CO with AK but I guess he could.

I still agree with flop check but I think I should have raised turn like TWP said.

[meleader2]

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well villain showed AK and took it down.

I didn't think he would open minraise from the CO with AK but I guess he could.

I still agree with flop check but I think I should have raised turn like TWP said.

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now what about villain's line? the river looked like a blocking bet, not a value bet. he should've folded, not knowing what you held. so i still think you made the right play, just against the wrong opponent maybe.

[soah]

Folding AK getting those odds on that board with that action would be terrible. Only a hugely slowplayed AA beats you. I don't expect Hero to have AA more than 80% of the time there.

[pokerjoker]

$125 is less than a half pot raise here. I would have lost about $40 more to the AK than u did.