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scdavis0

12-06-2005, 06:43 PM

I apologize if these are excessively standard. I just want a little check-up.

The basic idea is these games are pretty aggro and they'll bet a lot more hands then they will call with on the turn. If the boards were dry I would check/call and block the river, but there is far too good of a chance that I am ahead and the pot is large.

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MP ($169.96)
Button ($52.80)
SB ($198.90)
Hero ($212.35)
UTG ($300.66)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP calls $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10, MP calls $10, Button calls $10.

Flop: ($37) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $35, MP calls $35, Button folds.

Turn: ($107) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $75, Hero bets $165.35 (All-In)

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CO ($199.50)
Button ($399.82)
SB ($198)
BB ($113.50)
Hero ($200)
MP ($305.26)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, Button calls $7, 2 folds.

Flop: ($17) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $16, Button calls $16.

Turn: ($49) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $46.55, Hero bets $177 (All-In)

xorbie

12-06-2005, 06:47 PM

Second hand looks better than the first, because the flop is so much more draw heavy and so much less believable that you have anything.

scdavis0

12-06-2005, 06:55 PM

xorbie,

Are you check-folding the turn in hand 1 barring a read?

I even have 6 outs against a hand like 77 and even more against some two pair hand (and given the open limp from MP, a set seems unlikely).

xorbie

12-06-2005, 07:03 PM

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Are you check-folding the turn in hand 1 barring a read?

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No, that sounds pretty atrocious. I just don't think I would check raise.

scdavis0

12-06-2005, 07:06 PM

check calling leaves over $250 in the pot on the river with effective stacks of $50!

are you advocating a weakish lead/fold to raise line? this is kinda gross given how many outs i may have (12 against something like T9)

xorbie

12-06-2005, 07:10 PM

I would probably bet 2/3 pot.

scdavis0

12-06-2005, 07:15 PM

I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

xorbie

12-06-2005, 11:13 PM

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I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

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You sure about that?

Ghazban

12-06-2005, 11:21 PM

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I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

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You sure about that?

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I'm not, but I'm sure I'd hate for the turn to get checked through on this board unless the poker gods have already promised me a river card that makes my play there easy.

scdavis0

12-07-2005, 01:46 AM

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I can't see how this is a better line given that I can't fold to a raise all-in getting over 6 to 1 if he pushes, AND he'll almost certainly BET more hands than he will CALL a basically all-in bet with.

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You sure about that?

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Um.. yes I am.. I'd love to hear an explanation why betting is better than checking.