too aggressive with TPGK? 50NL

[beavens]

villian 41/11/1.21 over 114

no great reads - doesnt seem like a real good player.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

UTG ($40.25)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($22.40)
Button ($27.21)
Hero ($77.55)
BB ($55.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($7.50) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls $4.

River: ($15.50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $8.

Final Pot: $47.50

what do you guys think of the minraise on the river and the call?

was my blocking bet on the river too small?

thoughts welcome and i'll post results after i think the discussion has slowed.

[PoBoy321]

When you make a blocking bet, you're supposed to fold to a raise.

[beavens]

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When you make a blocking bet, you're supposed to fold to a raise.

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yes, but i honestly didnt think dude had it.

[beavens]

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When you make a blocking bet, you're supposed to fold to a raise.

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yes, but i honestly didnt think dude had it.

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(quoting myself here)

if i didnt think the guy had it then i should come out with a 2/3-potsized bet, right?

meh.. i guess i got kind of weak on the river in this hand.

[wdeadwyler]

Dude could have 810, Q10, A2, 58, A5, 510, just such a wide variety of hands beating you that I think you should fold to the minraise without hesitation.

[beavens]

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Dude could have 810, Q10, A2, 58, A5, 510, just such a wide variety of hands beating you that I think you should fold to the minraise without hesitation.

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looking back on the hand i really couldve gotten myself into trouble seeing as how there was no preflop action and it'd be hard to determine what i'm up against.

at first i thought i played it well, but now i'm thinking i totally f'd it up!

well i had the "gut feeling" that i was ahead the whole time - what does that count for?

[Kyriefurro]

Let's see....you led the flop with TPGK and villain raised you. Yes, it's a min-raise, but it's also a PSB (not counting villain's "call" before the raise).

An A hit on the turn, you lead again and now villain cold calls.

So, he doesn't seem to be afraid of either the A or the Q, which makes me think we're looking at 2 pair or a set, or else villain is a complete moran (which, based on his stats, isn't the case). The T at the river made things even worse, since it brought in the straight that villain may have been fishing for.

You didn't say how often villain's going to showdown, but unless his WSD% is abnormally high, I think I'm done with this hand when he calls my turn bet. As played, I check/fold that river.

[beavens]

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Let's see....you led the flop with TPGK and villain raised you. Yes, it's a min-raise, but it's also a PSB (not counting villain's "call" before the raise).

An A hit on the turn, you lead again and now villain cold calls.

So, he doesn't seem to be afraid of either the A or the Q, which makes me think we're looking at 2 pair or a set, or else villain is a complete moran (which, based on his stats, isn't the case). The T at the river made things even worse, since it brought in the straight that villain may have been fishing for.

You didn't say how often villain's going to showdown, but unless his WSD% is abnormally high, I think I'm done with this hand when he calls my turn bet. As played, I check/fold that river.

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you bring up good points, i forgot about the raise on the flop.

wish i had the stats now, but i'm at work.

Villain with those stats isn't likely fishing for any straight. I would think he had you earlier, but there isn't any big mistake I can see until the river call. It was a bad situation. What is the best way to avoid these though?

Cambraceres

[beavens]

well it really feels like i misplayed it when i look at the hand from the perspective of not being in it. hand results as follows:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

UTG ($40.25)
MP ($50.45)
CO ($22.40)
Button ($27.21)
Hero ($77.55)
BB ($55.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($7.50) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, BB calls $4.

River: ($15.50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $8.

Final Pot: $47.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Kh (one pair, queens).
BB has Ts Kc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $47.50. </font>

no clue what the guy was thinking here...

[djoyce003]

you can't call raises after blocking bets if you want to win.

[beavens]

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you can't call raises after blocking bets if you want to win.

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sigh.. i know.. nice avatar btw

I like the 1/2 pot raise on the river. It's substantial but keeps most of your cash out of the pot.
Once you're in for the $8, plus pot of $15, plus his raise of $16 = $39 you get 5:1 odds on calling the $8 raise. You only have to be right 1 of 6 times to break even.
Unfortunately, I put him on A,Q.

[beavens]

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I like the 1/2 pot raise on the river. It's substantial but keeps most of your cash out of the pot.
Once you're in for the $8, plus pot of $15, plus his raise of $16 = $39 you get 5:1 odds on calling the $8 raise. You only have to be right 1 of 6 times to break even.
Unfortunately, I put him on A,Q.

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do you think AQ would just check pf?

[djoyce003]

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you can't call raises after blocking bets if you want to win.

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sigh.. i know.. nice avatar btw

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Thanks...just a random pic off the internet cuz i'm too lazy to set up hosting of a pic but it looks exactly like my new puppy.

[beavens]

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you can't call raises after blocking bets if you want to win.

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sigh.. i know.. nice avatar btw

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Thanks...just a random pic off the internet cuz i'm too lazy to set up hosting of a pic but it looks exactly like my new puppy.

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white lab?

[djoyce003]

really pale yellow, wouldn't call her white...but not one of those real dark yellow ones.

[beavens]

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really pale yellow, wouldn't call her white...but not one of those real dark yellow ones.

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awesome dogs - congrats!

(this thread is now about djoyce's new puppy and not about my misplaying of this hand)

[wdeadwyler]

Rather than Hijack this thread I am going to start an OOT thread, since this is a subject I am concerned about, check it out if you care.

You're trying too hard to be tight aggressive and not using common sense.

I try to keep pots small when I just have top pair. I know it's not "by the book", but I would probably only raise $.50 or $1 on the flop. I don't want to play for 1/3 of my stack with what ended up being 2nd pair.