Greatest Video Game... nominations first...

[henrikrh]

Gonna start a greatest video game poll, hit me with your nominations...

Mine:

Deus Ex
Half-Life 2
Starcraft
Civilization 2

[samjjones]

Legend of Zelda (NES)
Metroid (NES)
MVP 2005 Baseball (PS2/XBOX)
NHL '94 (Genesis)
Combat (Atari 2600)
Donkey Kong Jr. (Colecovision)

[CIncyHR]

Mega Man 2
Tecmo Bowl
Metal Gear Solid 2
Madden 2006

[4_2_it]

In the arcade division here are my nominees:

Space Invaders
Pac Man
Donkey Knog
Asteriods
Dragon's Lair

[samjjones]

Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

[henrikrh]

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Legend of Zelda (NES)
Metroid (NES)
MVP 2005 Baseball (PS2/XBOX)
NHL '94 (Genesis)
Combat (Atari 2600)
Donkey Kong Jr. (Colecovision)

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NHL 94 on genesis, hell yeah, I loved that.


Also:

Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64)
Goldeneye (N64)

[Sabrazack]

Starcraft
Halflife
Civ 2

[LockForward]

System Shock
Contra
Oregon Trail
Marathon
X-com

[henrikrh]

Some more coming to minds,,,

Fallout
Duke Nukem 3D

[Vavavoom]

My choices are :

GoldenEye (N64)
Super MarioKart (SNES)
Championship Manager (PC)...UK only will understand)
LeisureSuit Larry Series
Pitfall - The Mayan Adventure (Atari)
Alex Kidd In Miracle World (Master System)
Resident Evil
Final Fantasy 7 & 8 (Playstation)
The Simpsons (Arcade)
StreetFighter 2 (Arcade)
Mortal Kombat (Arcade)

[Georgia Avenue]

Tetris
TMNT
FF-VII
Mike Tyson PO
Driver (1? 3? Hmmm)
GTA 1
Ninja Gaidan

[RunDownHouse]

Definitely going to need multiple genres for this. Its too hard to compare something like Gauntlet (arcade) with Civ 3 or Pirates!

Maybe something like this:
Arcade
Classic Console (80's-96 or so? When was the 64 released?)
Modern Console
Classic PC (80's-mid 90's again, with the line drawn at the release of Duke Nukem!)
Modern Shooter/Arcade-style PC (for things like CS)
Modern Other PC (for games like Civ 4)

Just a thought.

Anyhow, Bard's Tale definitely needs a Classic PC nomination, and I thought Civ 2 was easily the worst of the series.

[Georgia Avenue]

Rundown,

Good pulls on the Bard's Tale.

You've reminded me of the excellent: Might & Magic Series
as well as Champions of Krynn and the orginal D&D game. Does Classic Nerd Fantasy need it's own poll? My sources say: Yes.

Yours,

--GA

[durron597]

Star Control 2 (PC)
Final Fantasy 6 (Super Nintendo)
Final Fantasy 7 (PlayStation)
Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Super Nintendo)
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Nintendo 64)
Halo (XBox)
Super Smash Brothers (Nintendo 64)
Chrono Trigger (Super Nintendo)
Super Metroid (Super Nintendo)
GoldenEye (Nintendo 64)
Super Mario Brothers 3 (NES)
Megaman 2 (NES)
Grand Theft Auto III (PlayStation 2)
Marvel vs. Capcom 2 (Sega Dreamcast)
Star Wars: KotOR (PC)

and plenty more...

[TheBlueMonster]

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Super Smash Brothers (Nintendo 64)
Super Mario Brothers 3 (NES)


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and Sam and Max Hit the Road (PC)

[henrikrh]

Thief
Chu Chu Rocket (anyone remeber this japanese dreamcast game?)
Unreal Tournament
Battlefield

[Duke]

Cabbage Patch Kids: Adventures in the Park, on Colecovision.

EDIT: add LadyBug

~D

[imported_CaseClosed326]

Sword of Vermilion
FF3
Morrowind

[Hornacek]

GoldenEye (N64)
Super Smash Bros (GC)
Halo (XBOX)
Starcraft (PC)
Super Mario Bros. 3 (N)
Tetris
Arkanoid

Super Mario 64 (N64)
Doom (PC)
Robotron 2084 (Arcade)

[einbert]

I think it is pretty ridiculous to do this with no categories, just all video games bundled into one topic.

That said, I have a few (somewhat esoteric) nominations.

World of Warcraft
Final Fantasy XI
Katamari Damacy
Final Fantasy Tactics

But...yeah...no way this is going to work without categories.

Maybe something like:
Singleplayer RPG
First Person Shooter
Platformer
Online Multiplayer (MMOs and games like Unreal Tournament might all fall into this category)
Innovative (ie Dance Dance Revolution, Katamari Damacy)
Fighting

This might be a good starting point for a list.

1) Super Smash Brothers (N64)
2) Super Mario RPG (SNES)
3) Zelda: A link to the past (SNES)

[Vavavoom]

Henrikrh has first dibs on it...but I'm more than happy to be the Substitute Poll maker...

Thought of some more :

Command & Conquer Red Alert
Sonic The Hedgehog

[SackUp]

This poll starts and ends with Goldeneye for me. Hands down the greatest game ever made.

Other games

Starcraft/Brood
Battlefield
Mariokart
Warcraft OG and III
Madden
Mario Bros.
Street Fighter

[kevstreet]

Legend of Zelda (NES)
Madden Football

[wdeadwyler]

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1) Super Smash Brothers (N64)
2) Super Mario RPG (SNES)
3) Zelda: A link to the past (SNES)

[/ QUOTE ]

Super Mario RPG is very underrated if you ask me.

My nominations will go by system, and I will definately leave out some greats by accident

Nes: Mario3
Snes: Chrono Trigger, Super Mario World, FF3, Street Fighter 2, Zelda: Link to the Past, Mario Kart (so many more)
Genesis- Sonic 3 W/ Sonic and Knuckles attatched
PSX- FF7, MGS1, Resident Evil
N64- Goldeneye, Zelda: Ocarina of time
PS2- Madden (in general), GTA San Andreas, FFX
GC- RESIDENT EVIL 4, Smash Bros
XBox- Halo (1 or 2, doesnt really matter)
PC- Diablo 2, Neverwinter Nights,

Edit: Any Metroid game, but esp the SNES version

[einbert]

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Chrono Trigger,

[/ QUOTE ]
Ah yes, this is the winner.

Mike Tyson Punchout for NES
Legend of Zelda NES
Tecmo Football/Baseball for NES
Madden 03 for XBox/PS2
Mortal Kombat 2 for SNES?
Street Fighter 2 for SNES
Sonic The Hedgehog for Sega Genesis

[GrooveNougat]

Nobody's mentioned Halo 2 on Xbox Live?

How about Grand Theft Auto?

[swede123]

At the very least I hope you will split this into two separate polls, one for PC games and one for console games.

Personally I was never that much of a console buff, so I'll focus on the PC side of things.

My nominations:

X-Com: UFO Defense
Baldurs Gate 2
Everquest
Doom
Masters of Orion 2
Starcraft
Warcraft 2
Masters of Magic
Diablo 2
Ghost Recon
X-Wing/Tie Fighter
Jagged Alliance
Command & Conquer
Command & Conquer: Generals

Each of these games had a pretty profound impact on me and my computer game life.

Swede

[henrikrh]

Ok, here's how I plan to do teh new poll...

First I will tkae all games which are nominated and square them off against any sequels or expansions that are also nominated, for example...

Doom vs Doom 2 vs Doom 3

Then I will do the poll knockout style, with 3 categroies, Arcade, Console and PC. When each category has a winner the 3 games will be polled vs each other as well.

Anyone not liking the sequel elimination idea? Is it unfair to some games? FF7 and FF8 were both great games for example.

[wdeadwyler]

I think the sequal elimination idea is great.

[KingDan]

Super Mario (All-Star? Anyone remember this 5 games in one or something?)

Mario Tennis
Halo

Edit: fix typo

[TheHip41]

Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Castlevania(old school)
Diablo II:Lord of Destruction
GTA: Vice City
Max Payne
NCAA football:2004 PS2

Yeah, you're gonna really have to break it down into eras or at least genres.

[gabbahh]

Speedball (Amiga)
Megalomania (Amiga)
Walker Demo(Amiga, AT-AT walker)
Beast III (Amiga)
Pac Man
Dune II (PC)
SSX Tricky (PSII)

[TTChamp]

Super Mario 3
Street Fighter 2
Tetris
Mike Tyson's Punch Out
Madden-pick a year, my personal favorite is 93

[gharp]

Am I the only person that loved Planescape: Torment for PC?

[PTjvs]

Angband. I'm not joking.

Lesiure suit Larry (PC)

[drewjustdrew]

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Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

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How about crossing pattern to Dexter Carter? Or the deep bomb to Eddie Brown? All unstoppable.

[miajag81]

Bubble Bobble.

[Jeff W]

Front Office Football
Nethack
Master of Orion

[samjjones]

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Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

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How about crossing pattern to Dexter Carter? Or the deep bomb to Eddie Brown? All unstoppable.

[/ QUOTE ]
You mean people played with teams other than the Raiders?

[Unoriginalname]

[ QUOTE ]
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Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

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How about crossing pattern to Dexter Carter? Or the deep bomb to Eddie Brown? All unstoppable.

[/ QUOTE ]
You mean people played with teams other than the Raiders?

[/ QUOTE ]

If this is the same tecmo bowl you guys are talking about, I always picked the chiefs. Christian Okoye, AKA the Nigerian Nightmare, was untouchable. I believe in "good" and "excellent" condition the guy had 100 hitting power.

[J-Lo]

super mario world.

[4 High]

River City Ransom (NES)
Mega Man 2 (NES)
Suikoden (PSX)
Halo 2 (XBX)
Call Of Duty (PC)
Super Mario 64 (N64)
Final Fantasy X (PS2)
WWF No Mercy (N64)
NHL 95 (GEN)
Star Wars: KOTOR (XBX)
World Series Baseball '95 (GEN)
Legend Of Zelda: Links Awakening (GBY)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)

Im sure theres many more these are just off the top of my head.

[4 High]

Some more...

Castlevania II: Simons Quest (NES)
Mike Tysons Punch Out (NES)
Ultimate Doom (PSX)

[xLukex]

PHANTASY STAR IV
Super Mario RPG
Beyond Oasis
River City Ransom
NHL 95
Goldeneye
Warcraft II (or 3)
Diablo 2
Call of Duty

but yeah, Phantasy Star IV is the best game ever made.

[4 High]

How did i forget Streets Of Rage 2 which i played 8 bajillion times thru?

[RunDownHouse]

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Yeah, you're gonna really have to break it down into eras or at least genres.

[/ QUOTE ]
I would like to reiterate my suggestions:

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe something like this:
Arcade
Classic Console (80's-96 or so? When was the 64 released?)
Modern Console
Classic PC (80's-mid 90's again, with the line drawn at the release of Duke Nukem!)
Modern Shooter/Arcade-style PC (for things like CS)
Modern Other PC (for games like Civ 4)

[/ QUOTE ]

Also, to whomever nominated NHL '95 (Genesis):
What is your reasoning for picking this over '94, the last year to include fights, if I remember correctly.

[Rootabager]

Baseball Stars for NES. That game was sweet.

[4 High]

95 Was the first year to ever have trading and release and sign and all that, at least that i ever played. It also had the teams and Players together for the first time i can remember as well.

[SoSo]

Zombies
Final Fantasy VII
Half Life
Mortal Kombat III

[drewjustdrew]

[ QUOTE ]
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Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

[/ QUOTE ]

How about crossing pattern to Dexter Carter? Or the deep bomb to Eddie Brown? All unstoppable.

[/ QUOTE ]
You mean people played with teams other than the Raiders?

[/ QUOTE ]

It's boring to play the raiders. I liked the bengals. They had brooks with the same crossing pattern as Dexter Carter/Thurman Thomas/take your pick, plus to good wide receivers. I also liked the Bills cuz they are my team, and they had Bruce Smith on the end rush. LT was unreal on defense too.

[bleu329]

no MMORPGs?

Personally, I spent >50% of my high school life playing Ultima Online. That game alone has ruined my social life today.

[CollinEstes]

I have agree that you have to break it down by genre.

My nominations:

Adventure: Full Throtle (PC)
FPS: Halo 2 (XBox)
RPG: FF 7 (PS2)
Action: Grand Theft Auto III
Sports: World Series 95. (First year they had a total player draft.)

[SteamingFish]

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Am I the only person that loved Planescape: Torment for PC?

[/ QUOTE ]
No, it's one my top 10 favorites of all time. It blew me away.

[wdeadwyler]

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Am I the only person that loved Planescape: Torment for PC?

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Planescape was a fantastic PC RPG, but nowhere near best video game status.

Someone also mentioned bubble bobble, another very good game. Seed the games randomly, but make it double elimination so if FF7 and MGS1 square off against each other in the first round they get to come back.

[SteamingFish]

Nethack
Super Bomberman 2 (SNES) -- nothing beat four-player mode for fun if you had four good players
Starflight
Pilotwings
Day of the Tentacle
X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter
Pick-Axe Pete

[Edited for wording]

[Utah]

Tecmo Bowl - Greatest game of all times.

[ZeroPointMachine]

Jumpman (Commodore 64)

[swede123]

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Jumpman (Commodore 64)

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Now we're talking old school =) How about California Games for C64? Damn I loved those old games.

Swede

[man]

video game or computer game? weren't half-life 2 and civilization 2 computer games?

in any case, these have already been said, but I'm gonna say them again:

final fantasy VI (III in the U.S.)
goldeneye
halo

[Yeti]

The correct answer is Quake, namely the multiplayer addon QuakeWorld.

Only a couple of people will agree, but it's ok, because I know it is right.

Honourable mentions to Half-Life and the Monkey Island series.

[Benal]

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Jumpman (Commodore 64)

[/ QUOTE ]

Good choice.

My pics are: Shinobi and the original Legend Of Zelda.

[ZeroPointMachine]

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Jumpman (Commodore 64)

[/ QUOTE ]

Now we're talking old school =) How about California Games for C64? Damn I loved those old games.

Swede

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There were a lot of great titles, but Jumpman was one of the first and was wayyy ahead of it's time.

The things that little 64K box were coaxed into doing were amazing. Every register and every interupt were published in the tech guide and any 15 year old with the interest could start hammering out straight machine code.

[astroglide]

lazy jones was a lot better than jumpman in terms of fun and innovation. plus it gets credit for spawning a gigantic dance music hit only a couple years ago.

[pokerlaw]

Goldeneye (N-64)
NHL 94 (genesis)
Tecmo Bowl (NES)
Dr. Mario (NES)
Madden - just about any version.

[The Truth]

Half life counterstrike
Everquest 1,2
WOW
Warcraft 1,2,3
DAOC
Quake
Unreal Tournament


PC games are gonna win the overall.

blake

[SoloAJ]

Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil
Resident Evil 2
Final Fantasy 6 (3)
Final Fantasy 7
--Now that we got the series out of the way...

Tecmo Bowl is a MUST
Galaga
Super Mario Kart
Madden 04 is the best by far imo

I shall edit if I think of more..But Ithink the list for the tournament will be atrocious if RE4,FF6,FF7, Tecmo are NOT on the list....I could understand the others being left off for reasons..but no way those 4 miss the cut...

Edited to add: Mario 64, and if we count computer: HL and HL:CS

[EliteNinja]

How can you forget these:

The Secret of Mana (SNES)
Chrono Trigger (SNES)
Castlevania (NES)
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PSX)

[EliteNinja]

Oh:

Baldur's Gate (PC)
Baldur's Gate II (PC)
Diablo II (PC)
Gran Turismo (PSX)
Metal Gear Solid (PSX)

[SCfuji]

in no particular preference

super smash brothers
mario kart 64
starcraft
counter-strike
konami's powerful pro baseball (only available on the japan platforms)

the above games were chosen for their enjoyment factor, replayability, and quality.

not a single version of madden should be on this list, although i do play madden frequently.

FF7 & FF8
Wing Commander I & II
Betrayal at Krondor
Tie Fighter
MK 2
SF 2

[henrikrh]

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FF7 & FF8
Wing Commander I & II
Betrayal at Krondor
Tie Fighter
MK 2
SF 2

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Please post formats as well, when I make the final list if I don;t know if it's PC or arcade or console (and which console) and I cant find it on google then it might miss out.

[Blarg]

Doom
X-Com: UFO Defense
Warcraft 2
Total Annihilation

[SoloAJ]

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not a single version of madden should be on this list, although i do play madden frequently.

[/ QUOTE ]

When I have to pick one I always pick '04. It was the year of the Mike Vick experience that rivaled Bo Jackson Tecmo. That is why it is the one to pick.

Also..I am pretty sure that Counter-Strike will do very well in the tournament.

[Vavavoom]

NBA JAM TE (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis)

Henrikrh - any you are not sure about PM me...

[StacysMom]

I spend way too much time playing Halo2 on xbox live, for whatever thats worth.

[henrikrh]

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NBA JAM TE (Sega Mega Drive/Genesis)

Henrikrh - any you are not sure about PM me...

[/ QUOTE ]

K gotcha.

Still a little unsure about includeing Counter-Strike as a seperate entity from HL, probably will solely because it ended up getting released as an independent product later.

[PokerFink]

I'll save you the time.

Half Life wins this easily assuming mods (CS) are included with it.

[tubalkain]

Heh, no. Freespace 2 (http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139782/) wins easily.

Pokemon

[swede123]

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I'll save you the time.

Half Life wins this easily assuming mods (CS) are included with it.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd vote for Doom over HL every time. And that's just in the FPS category. There are definitely more great PC games out there.

Swede

[Phoenix1010]

The answer is the Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time.

well since Counter-Strike is the worlds most popular online game in history, and has been the most popular since beta days, Im really not seeing your defense on that.

Especially since you cant even claim doom was a huuuuuge pioneer. Wolfenstein was the first fps.

[PokerFink]

Thanks for elaborating my point behemoth.

[pecto]

1. Pro Evolution soccer
2. Pro Evolution soccer 2
3. Pro Evolution soccer 3
4. Pro Evolution soccer 4
5. Pro Evolution soccer 5

[Klepton]

i think zelda should just be all the games combined when put into the polls. this will insure its victory.

Zelda (all of them, hell yeah I liked two, lick me where I shite) except for the mask bs.

Metroid Series (are gonna rock so hard on the Revolution!!)
heh heh, long beam.

Bad News Baseball (so bad its fun)

Castlevania Symphony of the Night, and the new DS one

Mario Kart series

Mario Brother Series, especially 64, and ignoring Sunshine

Doom II (You all know doom one sucked, stop being nostalgic)

that is list part one.

Age of Empires 2

[DaveKForty7]

My god that Stuey does some fine work...

[Hamish McBagpipe]

Intellivision, B-17 Bomber, using the add on voice module. George Plimpton was right, you can really see the difference.

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/2972/ib172gf.jpg

[Blarg]

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well since Counter-Strike is the worlds most popular online game in history, and has been the most popular since beta days, Im really not seeing your defense on that.

Especially since you cant even claim doom was a huuuuuge pioneer. Wolfenstein was the first fps.

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Doom was the first one that we'd say was recognizably like the ones we have today, with varied architecture and a sense of real immersiveness.

I played Wolfenstein and Doom when they both came out and started as shareware. Wolfenstein blew people away, but a lot of them didn't play it for long or found it admittedly pretty tiresome even when they did, because the lay-out was so lame -- endless corridors with identical textures that all looked alike opening into rooms that all looked alike. Everything was one-story.

Doom was the first one with a real feeling of space and naturalness, where it really felt like a world and not just a video game. It was definitely revolutionary, and basically completely rocked the planet.

Im gonna kinda go for a cheap shot, and say that Doom's heritage in gaming was sullied by Doom 3, and that HL2 just cemented CS's

FF7- PS
RE2- PS
MGS1- PS

Those whole serieses are good and there are so many other good games but I dont feel like putting them all down.

[Blarg]

Heritage?

We're talking about one game at a time here.

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FF7- PS2
RE2- PS2
MGS1- PS2

Those whole serieses are good and there are so many other good games but I dont feel like putting them all down.

[/ QUOTE ]

you do know that not one of those games is on ps2, right?


and to blarg... I dont know, I think that it matters, but thats because Im so immersed in the industry. Anyways, I would have to give them a tie, because CS was every single bit as revolutionary. If you disagree, it is likely because either you're over-nostalgic about doom, or you haven't spent time on cs.

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you do know that not one of those games is on ps2, right?

[/ QUOTE ]

fixed my post, just used to saying ps2 i guess but all of them are ps1 clearly, but thanks for the correction

[Blarg]

No, it's because Counterstrike isn't even close to being as revolutionary as the game that started it all.

yeah, cool, just figured you'd get ripped on for it.

good choices though, FF7 is top 5 for me all time.

Perfect Dark.

it didnt start it all. I said that. It made it better, but it didnt start it all.

so if you wanna say that doom took the fps and brought it to a new level, thats exactly what CS did. It took the FPS, and brought an unheard of level of reality to it. Oh yeah, and it damn-near solely started the online revolution, and gave gamers complete control over how the game played.

[swede123]

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If you disagree, it is likely because either you're over-nostalgic about doom, or you haven't spent time on cs.

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I'd be the first to admit this is my reason for mentioning Doom in my post is nostalgia. I never spent much time with CS, nor with the Quake series of games. Doom will always have a special place in my heart. And personally I really liked Doom 3. I haven't yet tried HL2 out, but I really ought to, eh?

Swede

[Blarg]

Yes it did start it all, for the reasons I noted. Wolfenstein wasn't nearly as immersive. Moving around in 3d is one thing, but that doesn't make it an immersive world.

If it did, we'd have to include things like SPECTRE.

You are wildly exaggerating CS's novelty. People were going online in droves long before CS. I did it all the time in Doom and Doom 2 and Descent and Warcraft 2 and Comand and Conquer ... hell, name it. Started the online revolution? What the hell?

You may love what CS did to bring FPS's to "a new level," but that level is a damn tiny leap compared to the difference between a game feeling like a game and a game feeling like a real world. Being happy for incremental changes is all well and good, but you can't compare that to fundamental changes.

could you move your crosshair up and down in doom? could you find literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people to play against? do hundreds of thousands of people still play doom online?

Im sorry, but I guess Im just not seeing it. Maybe because when I played wolfenstein I was so young that it felt different or something, I dunno. I still throw the tie to them just because the current game market and industry are so completely and utterly effected by the changes wrought by CS.

edit: I would say that cs brought the "immersion and believability threshold" up from earlier games just as much as doom did.

i.e. the freaking physics engine. Doom didnt have one really, and CS did, there you go, there's your revolution.

[Ogre]

Halo 1 (xbox)
Shining Force 2 (Sega Genesis)

edit: all the people who nominate halo 2 make me sick

[Blarg]

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do hundreds of thousands of people still play doom online?

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This is indicative of the quality of your understanding of this matter, I'm afraid.

haha, the quality of my understanding of the matter goes far beyond that statement, but I see you have pulled out the only part of my post you can box with.

mind answering my other questions? The reason I asked that is because you claimed that CS didnt revolutionize online play.

So, have a real reposte?

[astroglide]

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This is indicative of the quality of your understanding of this matter, I'm afraid.

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.think-strange.de/stuff/images/owned.jpg

by the way, i think that's the best 'owned' graphic ever

except for the facts that he's wrong, did not adress my question, and pulled that completely out of the context of the "online gaming discussion" we were having, then up I was pwnz0r3d.

I realize that you're telling me that I am naively saying that Doom had no impact because it cant be played online in the same scale as CS. Im not, Im just answering your proposition that CS wasnt an online revolution.

The impact of Doom was felt everywhere, from its parent-scaring violence to its new graphics, and to some degree its music. It immersed players in a hellish world, albeit with a crap backstory, and had an insane pace of action, memorable enemies, and lots of big ol' guns.

I understand why doom was so big. Now answer my damn questions, please. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[astroglide]

i assumed he was discarding it based on your apparent belief that hundreds of thousands of people played doom online before, much less now

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i assumed he was discarding it based on your apparent belief that hundreds of thousands of people played doom online before, much less now

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no, I was saying that hundreds of thousands o people play CS online still, and asking if that was true of doom.

wow, if that's how he took it, he must think Im an idiot.

oh well, open the mouth and remove all doubt.

[astroglide]

i was only skimming the thread and saw the quote out of context. i looked closer now and based on what he's been discussing, i doubt that was the point he was making. but rather that the best may not necessarily be the most popular, and that popularity alone doesn't a metric make. if we went by that standard, celine dion would be one of the greatest artists of all time, etc.

[Blarg]

I was saying that you clearly can't take how much a very old game is played online now, especially in relation to a much more current game, as a reasonable measure of either its worth or of its popularity or pervasiveness in the culture when it came out. That's just not playing fair. This is clearly an exceptionally lousy criteria by which to judge an old game.

First of all, it's old. Not many people play dozen year old games online. 'nuff said.

And the online community was much smaller then, and was almost entirely on small BBS systems for most people. This was back in the days of DOS, before most people had even heard of the internet. Yet we still played online, and plenty, through special front-ends that had to be written for every game, or sometimes peer to peer.

But the ways of doing it were very intimidating to most people. DOS was a bitch. You were pretty much on your own if you couldn't get front-ends to work. Gaming was not mainstream. Computers were not anywhere near as cheap as they are now.

DOOM was huge in the scene there was, limited, costly, and a bit difficult as the scene there was was.

That nobody plays it online now means zip and says not a thing about it.

[ChipWrecked]

Civilization III
Alpha Centauri
Rise of Nations

[TorpedoBreath]

Rescue at Rigel (Commodore PET)
Blades of Steel (NES) - where winning a fight puts the loser in the penalty box!
Time Pilot (Arcade)
Joust (Arcade)
Spy Hunter (Arcade)
Kung-Fu Master (Arcade)
Karate Champ (Arcade)
Ghosts'n'Goblins (Arcade)
Gauntlet (Arcade)

GOD you're ignoring my point!!!!!

Doom's freaking impact was not online. I get it, I know it, I understand it. Its impact is felt in myriad different ways. No the online thing wasnt as prevalent when doom hit... see this is part of the impact of CS.

I dont know, I could go on about this forever, but you wont concede, and its hard to make good points in an online forum. Unless you honestly care about this enough to continue this on AIM or something, I will just agree to disagree.

[Blarg]

If you don't want the online aspect of DOOM to be a subject of discussion or comparison, I would suggest not bringing it up. Especially as a subject for either. Ball was in your court on that one and came from your side. Repeatedly.

You're right, this is going nowhere, and it's time to just agree to disagree.

I brought CS's online play up because it's part of the revolutionary aspect of the game. To which you said you remember playing online doom, to which I responded that yes, I had my fun rigging dos front ends for it, but its not nearly the online game CS was, and it went on, yada ya.

Just to clarify that I wasnt dwelling on it.

[Dudd]

I'm very disappointed that no one but the OP has mentioned Deus Ex.

[astroglide]

i wasn't trying to speak for you there btw, just responding because i had posted a bomb-ass 'owned' pic. nobody seems to realize its greatness either. oh well.

[daryn]

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i wasn't trying to speak for you there btw, just responding because i had posted a bomb-ass 'owned' pic. nobody seems to realize its greatness either. oh well.

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the game in the pic makes no logical sense. how couldn't he have blocked that the move before?

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i wasn't trying to speak for you there btw, just responding because i had posted a bomb-ass 'owned' pic. nobody seems to realize its greatness either. oh well.

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the game in the pic makes no logical sense. how couldn't he have blocked that the move before?

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yeah, who's gonna beat an asian at a strategy game?!?

[astroglide]

do you question the canvas of a masterpiece? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

one possible option is that black got excited about a potential victory on the right side of the board. i agree it's not the best layout, but come on.

[daryn]

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one possible option is that black got excited about a potential victory on the right side of the board.

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i did catch that

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do you question the canvas of a masterpiece? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

one possible option is that black got excited about a potential victory on the right side of the board. i agree it's not the best layout, but come on.

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you do get mad amounts of cool points for a new "owned" pic... but Im considering deducting points for use of "owned" instead of "pwnd" "pwn3|)" or somesuch... but Im a nerd.

gg.

[daryn]

i would have deducted points for pwnd

[astroglide]

yeah me too, pwned doesn't work

[Blarg]

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i wasn't trying to speak for you there btw, just responding because i had posted a bomb-ass 'owned' pic. nobody seems to realize its greatness either. oh well.

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I know, no prob.

I don't really know what game they're playing and what lowering that one chip in does, btw. That's why I wasn't able to follow why that pic is supposedly a great one.

[whiskeytown]

For the PC

Myst
Civilization (either the series or whatever - I think you could make a case for the first for how it did, and the last for all the improvements, but really the whole series.
Tie Fighter - a Lucasfilm game that finally created an experience similar to the Star Wars dogfights that felt realistic. X-wing was pretty clunky, IMHO to be considered the best.

For the arcade

Battlezone
Pong
Donkey Kong

for Atari 2600...

Raiders of the Lost Ark - the first "quest" type game I ever played that was DIFFICULT - (similar to Myst, where you travel seeking the ark) - took me a MONTH to figure out how to beat it and sneak it's secrets out...
Combat
Poker Plus - (a 4 game cartridge that had 5 card stud, poker solitaire, and something else - that's where I learned how to read poker hands at 6 years old - /images/graemlins/grin.gif

so it's the most important game I ever had....LOL

RB

[KKbluff]

Bionic Commando (NES)

[Spladle Master]

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Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

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Christian Okoye was always my RB of choice.

[Spladle Master]

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Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

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How about crossing pattern to Dexter Carter? Or the deep bomb to Eddie Brown? All unstoppable.

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You mean people played with teams other than the Raiders?

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Chiefs were better. Okoye was unstoppable. They also had Thomas on defense.

[Spladle Master]

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Goddamned Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl...

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How about crossing pattern to Dexter Carter? Or the deep bomb to Eddie Brown? All unstoppable.

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You mean people played with teams other than the Raiders?

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If this is the same tecmo bowl you guys are talking about, I always picked the chiefs. Christian Okoye, AKA the Nigerian Nightmare, was untouchable. I believe in "good" and "excellent" condition the guy had 100 hitting power.

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[censored] yeah man. I got your back.

[MikeSmith]

Easily the best 1st person shooters for their era
Doom2
Goldeneye for N64
Halo2


Other games have consumed me

Diablo
Starcraft
Simcity
Splinter Cell
Contra