400NL: I'm seriously confused here. [Archive]

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Kirkrrr

12-06-2005, 03:43 AM

Table is relatively aggressive but I've been running ridiculously bad and they probably view me as steaming (maybe). Villain is a relative unknown. I check-called the flop to see if he has AK - on the turn I knew he didn't. Then he wakes up... wtf /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Hero ($1146.05)
UTG ($548.20)
UTG+1 ($64)
MP1 ($606.25)
MP2 ($404.70)
CO ($338.25)
Button ($380.95)
SB ($359.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
4 folds, CO raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($26) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($42) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero raises to $28, CO raises to $64, Hero calls $36.

River: ($170) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $88, Hero calls.

My main question is the turn. What am I supposed to make of it?

Kirk

tdomeski

12-06-2005, 03:55 AM

If you are going to c/r the turn make it $58 to go. That way you can easily fold when he comes back over the top of you.

As played I probably just fold turn. If I saw the river the way you saw it I wouldn't call his bet.

Lucky

12-06-2005, 04:21 AM

fold turn. He's "tricked" you into playing a bigger pot, now he's moving in for kill. Looks like bad player with monster; his shaking hands can barely work mouse.

12-06-2005, 04:53 AM

throw this away on the turn. I can't think of a hand played like that doesn't have AQ beat.

warlockjd

12-06-2005, 05:27 AM

yeah, 99 here horribly played methinks

ansky451

12-06-2005, 05:39 AM

I can think of nothing you are beating by the turn or river action.

Kirkrrr

12-06-2005, 08:33 AM

Okay, so the concensus seems to be to muck on the turn. I agree. I probably was steaming, otherwise I would've done that. He had a set, of course. But I saw a weak bet and, of course, I absolutely couldn't resist. And then couldn't fold, for whatever reason (read: tilt).

Kirk

Kirkrrr

12-06-2005, 08:34 AM

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I can't think of a hand played like that doesn't have AQ beat.

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In retrospect, neither can I.

Ojo_Rojo

12-06-2005, 09:53 AM

Why didnt you bet ($35-$40) on the turn? Then I would fold to any raise.

Cheaper than check-raising /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Ojo_Rojo

Ghazban

12-06-2005, 10:30 AM

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I can't think of a hand played like that doesn't have AQ beat.

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In retrospect, neither can I.

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Ax of hearts will be played exactly this way by a lot of players. They bet smallish to price their draw in case their ace is no good by itself but take the checkraise personally and try to push you out.

I'd rather lead the turn (intending on folding to a raise) and check/call or check/fold the river depending on read.

fuzzbox

12-06-2005, 10:34 AM

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Why didnt you bet ($35-$40) on the turn? Then I would fold to any raise.

Cheaper than check-raising /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

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Not if you check raise to 26 /images/graemlins/wink.gif

fuzzbox

12-06-2005, 10:36 AM

This is a big hand, approximately 97.55% of the time.

There is a 2.45% margin of error incorporated into my estimation.

AQ is beat.
I prefer check/call flop and lead turn (folding a raise).
30-40 is good to lead the turn with.

swarm

12-06-2005, 12:25 PM

I've seen this alot lately, villans underbetting into the agressor when they hit a set or two pair and are hoping to get raised. Your re-raise was really weak, why not make it 50 on the turn and fold to a raise?