A Couple of $25 Hands

Anybody play these any differently?

#Game No : 3152467852
***** Hand History for Game 3152467852 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Monday, December 05, 23:53:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 65583 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: cybermonkey9 ( $31.14 )
Seat 2: mattspker ( $64.09 )
Seat 5: RJSilver ( $14.27 )
Seat 10: davebreal ( $15.51 )
Seat 9: MacLuvr ( $45.75 )
Seat 3: sspoolr ( $20.70 )
Seat 6: JeffNeilF ( $14.40 )
Seat 7: bosox1039 ( $7.20 )
Seat 8: ollie8148 ( $22.65 )
bosox1039 posts small blind [$0.10].
ollie8148 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to davebreal [ Ac 2h 4s Ah ]
MacLuvr folds.
>You have options at Table 68464 Table!.
davebreal calls [$0.25].
cybermonkey9 calls [$0.25].
mattspker folds.
sspoolr folds.
RJSilver folds.
JeffNeilF calls [$0.25].
bosox1039 calls [$0.15].
ollie8148 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 3c, 2c ]
Kurtovski has joined the table.
bosox1039 bets [$0.25].
ollie8148 folds.
davebreal raises [$1.95].
cybermonkey9 calls [$1.95].
JeffNeilF calls [$1.95].
bosox1039 calls [$1.70].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
bosox1039 checks.
davebreal bets [$5].
cybermonkey9 raises [$23.60].
JeffNeilF folds.
bosox1039 folds.
davebreal is all-In [$8.31]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
cybermonkey9 shows [ 9c, Jc, 7d, 5h ] two pairs, jacks and nines.
davebreal shows [ Ac, 2h, 4s, Ah ] a pair of aces.
cybermonkey9 wins $10.29 from side pot #1 with two pairs, jacks and nines.
cybermonkey9 wins $33.92 from the main pot with two pairs, jacks and nines.
There was no qualifying low hand.



#Game No : 3152488018
***** Hand History for Game 3152488018 *****
$25 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Monday, December 05, 23:56:48 EDT 2005
Table Table 65583 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: cybermonkey9 ( $48.05 )
Seat 2: mattspker ( $64.09 )
Seat 5: RJSilver ( $14.27 )
Seat 10: davebreal ( $9.24 )
Seat 9: MacLuvr ( $45.40 )
Seat 3: sspoolr ( $20.70 )
Seat 6: JeffNeilF ( $12.20 )
Seat 7: bosox1039 ( $6.55 )
Seat 8: ollie8148 ( $22.60 )
Seat 4: Kurtovski ( $25 )
davebreal posts small blind [$0.10].
cybermonkey9 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to davebreal [ As 5h 3c 2h ]
mattspker folds.
sspoolr folds.
RJSilver folds.
JeffNeilF calls [$0.25].
bosox1039 raises [$0.50].
ollie8148 folds.
MacLuvr folds.
davebreal raises [$1.90].
cybermonkey9 folds.
JeffNeilF calls [$1.75].
bosox1039 calls [$1.50].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 4c, 6c ]
davebreal bets [$5.95].
JeffNeilF calls [$5.95].
bosox1039 is all-In [$4.55]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
davebreal is all-In [$1.29]
JeffNeilF calls [$1.29].
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
davebreal shows [ As, 5h, 3c, 2h ] a pair of sixes.
JeffNeilF shows [ Ah, 3s, Jd, 2c ] a pair of sixes.
bosox1039 shows [ Js, 2d, Ad, Kd ] two pairs, kings and sixes.
JeffNeilF wins $5.08 from side pot #1 with a pair of sixes with jack kicker.
bosox1039 wins $18.95 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and sixes.
There was no qualifying low hand.

Hand 1: Nice flop action. On the turn, either check-call or lead the pot. Putting a medium-sized bet out there is just going to build a pot when you either want to keep it small at this point (check-call being the best option) or take it down without a river (lead for pot).

Hand 2: Preflop, I would just call the raise. Disguise you hand, keep chips behind so you can check-raise the player who raised PF when you catch a nice flop, and get away from a flop of say 9QK cheap. 4-low-card hands can get expensive if you're sticking in big re-raises PF. I prefer A23K to A234/5. On the flop, I know you're now committed, but why not just check-call? You're not going to pick up the pot with this bet; therefore, the best option is to try to get maximum callers. But the PF re-raise is the biggest problem with this one.

Hand 2--At small limits I would only raise with hands that can scoop the whole pot and A235 all offsuit isn't it.

*for the record* 2 of the wheel cards where suited, making it slightly better than a completely offsuit hand*

I do appreciate the advice though.

In the first hand you appear to be in early position but with your hand is it still not a pot bet pre flop to try and clear out trash like cybermonkey9? If not why raise pre flop in the second hand out of position? I am still new at pot limit, can anyone clarify.

I wanted to encourage someone to pot if pre-flop as a steal so I could re-pot it, very aggressive table. That was my only chance as I had awful position. Making it .85 isn't really going to discourage a person who likes to play garbage hands for .25

[jthegreat]

But it does make them pay over 3x as much to play it. Pot it.

I hate to say it, but the spiteful villains at $25 know that a raise to .85 in EP spells Aces, and gives them more incentives to hit their 2-pair.

I almost hate to see Aces UTG for pot reasons. I really feel you have to limp and pray for raise/re-raise at a full table. Even with UTG+1 or UTG+2 you make a respectable raise. Howver, in LP or on the button you can really juice it up.

[Cooker]

A dry 2 pair is usually a slight dog on the flop to AA with a low draw. I pot it preflop and I don't care one bit if they call with J975 to hit their 2 pair and actually hit it. They are still going to be putting in a lot of money on the flop as a dog. I raise quite a few hands besides AA from EP.

[jthegreat]

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I hate to say it, but the spiteful villains at $25 know that a raise to .85 in EP spells Aces

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That's why you raise other hands too.

I'm not arguing with the raise, or raising other solid hands like A23x, A25x, etc from EP. The people behind me last night were potting lots of junk hands from any position, and this is clearly a great hand to re-pot pre-flop and isolate with.

It was all part of my winning strategy last night. Only problem was that I wasn't winning.

[Mendacious]

The ONLY reason good reason for not potting it on the first hand pre-flop is if you think there is a good chance that someone will raise for you. If you hold AA24, what are the chances someone else has raising cards? Not quite so good, generally, but only you know the character of the table.

To me, AA24s is a hand that you want to get as much money in as possible pre-flop. It plays well multiway, and it plays even better heads-up or short handed. You want to be in position to give a substantial check-raise on the flop and letting everyone else in for .25 does not accomplish this at all.

It's true that I was basically stripping the deck with AA24, but super-aggro players at the table were pushing with JJxx, QQxx, KKxx, 2345. Basically, everyone was just looking for any opportunity to raise.

I can't quote any PFR%'s offhand (I'm at work), but yeah, there was plenty of maniacal play.

Like I said, I always appreciate the advice. In EP at this table, this seemed the best strategy. Would table captain/maniac/cybermonkey9 have played his rags for $.85? I'd say at least 1/2 the time, given my experience with him. Clearly, he was limping with a marginal/garbage hand from a bad position.

If I was in any other position, there's no way I would have limped with that hand. I try be conscious of pot size on all streets, and do my best to manipulate, when not being an idiot.

[Cooker]

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I hate to say it, but the spiteful villains at $25 know that a raise to .85 in EP spells Aces, and gives them more incentives to hit their 2-pair.


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I was replying mostly to this. It seemed to me that you didn't want them to call prefop where in fact you do want them to call and you don't care if they do hit 2 pair, because you will usually be ahead anyway. It takes a very lucky flop for someone to leave AA2x in the dust equity wise, but there are many flops where they will think they are ahead and put their money in as a dog. I love seeing AA2 and most AA hands with a wheel card in any position.

Ideally, I wanted to isolate against one of the maniacs.

In any case, the main problem is the stupid dealer throwing out garbage turn and river cards. I should at least get my rake back for that one.

I have a question for you. I may be a noob for bringing this up (non of the better posters did).

Why didn’t you rebuy when your stack was low? Doesn’t the site you play at support rebuys? I almost always rebuy if my stack goes below 20.

Last night involved several rebuys to go along with bricks on turns and river. I basically have zilcho in my account after recently re-loading, after my 24BB/hr became
-24BB/hr, blah.

I'm getting desperate and actually playing FPP freerolls regularly now. If anybody wants to see funny freeroll hands, check out my journal.