TPQK in position hu

[TheWorstPlayer]

Literally first hand at table. Never seen villain before. How's my line, do I raise river? What to? What do I do if he pushes?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ TWP (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP ($509.52)
Button ($653.70)
SB ($495.79)
TWP ($400)
UTG ($562.20)

Preflop: TWP is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">TWP raises to $21</font>, MP folds, SB calls $21.

Flop: ($54) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">TWP bets $25</font>, SB calls $25.

Turn: ($104) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, TWP checks.

River: ($104) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $40</font>, TWP...

[amoeba]

I just call although I think you are good here a very high percentage of the time.

I just don't know if worse aces call here.

[tdomeski]

good turn check behind...call river...gh

Bet more on the flop, say $35-40. 1/2 pot is begging to be raised, which puts you in a difficult position. Plus you probably have the best hand and and weaker ace will still call.

I like the turn check. Just call the river since villain is unknown.

[TheWorstPlayer]

I don't really mind getting raised if I bet half pot. It's hard to beat top pair heads up.

I just call . I don't think there is enough value in raising here.

[flawless_victory]

definitely raise. 4sure, raise raise raise.
im shocked by the advice in this thread, yuck.
make it 160. if he goes all in, fold.

[xorbie]

160 might be too much. I think $120 is about as much as he calls with one pair. No way will he reraise anything but a set anyway, he's not bluff 3-betting here, so it's purely for value and I think any A will look up $120.

I think I like the 120 raise here, not sure what I was thinking just calling. I didn't spend enough time looking at the hand, and I didn't even see preflop action. I apologize for my previous weak/tight advice /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[tdomeski]

ya i neglected to look at the stack sizes

[ludo72]

What's behind your small flop bet? Is it only because the board is so uncoordinated or do you always c-bet for half pot?

[flawless_victory]

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What's behind your small flop bet? Is it only because the board is so uncoordinated or do you always c-bet for half pot?

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there are no draws save v unlikely gutshot wheel draws, so i dont mind the small bet. no point in betting pot here against typical opponents.

[fanmail]

Does anyone else look at villain's line as a possible set or A9? He calls the flop, wants to check raise the turn, but hero checks behind. So villain leads with a small value bet on the river. For that reason, I might just call instead of raising.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Sure, it will look this way to all monster-under-the-bed-seeing weak-tight ninnies. Like me. So I was about to call. But then I realized, "WTF?!" so I raised to $160 and he called with A3. Thanks, flawless_victory, glad you were there for me.

[crosse91]

i like the way this is played (with river raise)
my *fairly* standard way to play TPTK against complete unknowns is bet/raise flop. check turn. bet/raise weak bets on river...

[TheWorstPlayer]

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i like the way this is played (with river raise)
my *fairly* standard way to play TPTK against complete unknowns is bet/raise flop. check turn. bet/raise weak bets on river...

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Very interesting. What's your name on Party and/or Empire? I kid, I kid. I agree. This is my standard line, too, on a completely dry board where I am pretty sure he has a worse ace. On a flushy board I prefer to bet the turn and check the river (or vb the river, depending).

[crosse91]

back off me kid, i know we play the same game.
And btw, i bet turn heavy on drawing boards.
oh, its not hard to find me on stars.....

[yvesaint]

def raise river here, not only is it HU, but it's a blind battle

your hand has that classic "bluff" feel to it, bets sort of weak on the flop scared of the A, feels kind of better when he checks turn, then pops the bluff on the river

[TheWorstPlayer]

This exact thinking actually made me think about a push. But I settled on 160. Anyone like a push?

turn check is nice, it sets up for a fun river. letting him off for that cheap with a hand as strong as yours is not good with how its played.

[yvesaint]

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This exact thinking actually made me think about a push. But I settled on 160. Anyone like a push?

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i think a lot of players are too weak/passive to pay off a push with any A with a kicker below a 9. they might pay off with AT-AJ, but then that's marginal at best.

if you have a history, or have been playing VERY aggro, then a push can be ok.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Wow, I see heroic calls all day long.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=4114434&amp;an=0&amp;page=0&amp;gone w=1#UNREAD)

[yvesaint]

my table selection sucks /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[crosse91]

or you don't play as donkishly as TWP

[TheWorstPlayer]

In all honesty, this guy was giving me fits by LAGging it up directly on my left all night. He raised my continuation bets at least 75% of the time. But I knew if I just waited for my spot... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Aye, good raise sir, I think I'd be slapping myself hard shortly afterward if I just called here.

[fuzzbox]

I prefer to check flop over check turn. (Heads up in position on a drawless board)
I hate to bet flop and get check/raised (the dreaded check/minraise).

I normally call here, but I can see you are just itching to raise :-).

[barongreenback]

How does everyone play KK here postflop? I'm always left wondering what heat a weak ace will take and if I decide to take him off it, what would be the best way.

James

[AllIn3High]

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How does everyone play KK here postflop? I'm always left wondering what heat a weak ace will take and if I decide to take him off it, what would be the best way.

James

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Playing it the same and then simply calling river.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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How does everyone play KK here postflop? I'm always left wondering what heat a weak ace will take and if I decide to take him off it, what would be the best way.

James

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Playing it the same and then simply calling river.

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Or fold river.

[Maulik]

Is there any reason we aren't betting the turn for value?

[TheWorstPlayer]

If they c/r us, we have to fold when we could have gotten to showdown for the same price if we check and call the river. And we may induce bluffs on the river. And we may make our river raise look like a bluff so it may get called by hands even worse than an ace.

[Kirkrrr]

I don't think just calling here is that bad. Min-raising is an option too, easy fold if he 3-bets.

Kirk

[BK_]

i raise less pf to keep the pot manageable, keep in some dominated hands, make continuation bets cheaper, make it less enticing for someone to c/r bluff me on the flop, and allow myself to raise pf more to avoid looking like a nit. yea yea, one or two of these may contradict each other, but i still like it. if i raise the river i make it 100, and fold to a 3 bet for sure. however normally when i check the turn there i flat call a river bet. said another way, if i think there will be enough value on the river for a raise i will be betting the turn... unless the board counterfits 2 pair or something.

[barongreenback]

Am I right in thinking that if a value raise isn't correct here vs a likely worse ace then it would be correct to bluff raise with an under pp? I think the size of the raise would be similar in both cases. Since I'm not really happy bluffing then I should be value raising.

If I wasn't sure how he'd react I'd be inclined to make the raise with the AQ if only to find out.

James

[TheWorstPlayer]

I think for the precise reason that raising this river as a bluff is spewing, raising for value is a must. I would love to hear more discussion around a river push, though. I really find it hard to believe we're behind and I have just seen WAY too many "big calls" to not think there may be a lot of value in a push here.

Here's a nice one from yesterday. The chat is priceless.

$400 NL Texas Hold'em
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Villain ( $353.90 )
Seat 2: TWP ( $455.80 )
Seat 5: Annoying 2+2er( $692.20 )
Seat 3: X ( $189.60 )
Seat 4: X ( $263 )
X posts small blind [$2].
Annoying 2+2er posts big blind [$4].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TWP [ 9h Td ]
Villain raises [$8].
TWP raises [$35].
X folds.
X folds.
Annoying 2+2er folds.
Villain calls [$27].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Qs, 3s ]
Villain checks.
TWP bets [$50].
Villain calls [$50].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
Villain checks.
TWP checks.

** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
Villain checks.
TWP is all-In.
Villain: ak no good
Villain is all-In.
Villain shows [ Ad, Kc ] a pair of kings.
TWP shows [ 9h, Td ] a straight, nine to king.
TWP wins $101.90 from side pot #1 with a straight, nine to king.
TWP wins $711.80 from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.

[maranello11]

I make it 100 on river and fold to re-raise, it looks like he may have A10, AJ and think you have KK and shut down after your small bet on the flop. I like this.

[TheWorstPlayer]

Did someone ninja bump this thread? WTF? I hate that [censored]. Even when it's my thread.