Defining "outplay"

[nuclear500]

Got into a semi-argument with someone about what it means to outplay. My definition(s):

1) Getting a better hand to fold
a) By bluffing
b) By betting aggressively (A and B _are_ different)

2) Slow playing a big hand to extract value (and succeeding)

3) Forcing a decision on your opponent that lets you outdraw and you do (the flop raise of an EP bettor and then the turn check/check for a free river card play, etc)

4) Inducing a bluff - however you do it.


Anyone else have anything to add or modify?

[wdeadwyler]

-only definition needed, causing your opponents to make more mistakes than you.

[jba]

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-only definition needed, causing your opponents to make more mistakes than you.

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much better

OP -- all of your definitions are results oriented and thus poor.

[UATrewqaz]

Making less mistakes according to the fundamental theorom of poker.

If you are making less mistakes and your opponent is making more, you are outplaying him.

[Bluffoon]

I like the FTOP approach but I realize that you are trying to be more specific.

So I would add folding in spots where your opponents would incorrectly call to your list. Everyobody loves fancy expensive plays but the good fold gets way less respect as a skill than is warranted.

[I am fish]

Making better decisions than your opponent or opponents.

Going all in on a bluff and showing 32o and doing a backflip.

[nuclear500]

When you say "results oriented" I assume you mean in terms of monetary gain.

I understand what you're saying and actually agree with you, but that is not what I was trying to talk about with my post, not even close.

The definition of "causing your opponents to make more mistakes than you" is simply a longer way of saying "outplay" you are saying..thats fine.

My OP was being granular about what can be part of outplaying, not a redefinition of the term itself.

Poor choice of words on my part by using the word "definition".