LIVE 20. KK. NOT SURE I LIKE MY HAND.

[flawless_victory]

i open in EP w/ KsKh. loose/bad LP coldcalls (he is a coldcalling machine for 2 bets). sb who is semitight extremely passive 50something nit threebets, and now bb (sb's buddy, similar plyr description applicable) caps it up (wow)... every1 calls (duh).

flop come 9d7d5s
sb check, bb bets, i call, so does every1 else.

turn is the 8d (jesus.)
check, bb's effing hand was hovering across the imaginary line w/ a stack of chips b4 it was on him... he bets, i raise, foldfodl, bb calls no hesistation whatsoever.

river 3c
check, i actually pause to think (i rarely do this in LHE games), the bb has the calling chips in his hand outstretched in front of him. i check it down.

[TStoneMBD]

i dont see why youd want to wait until the turn to raise. id raise the flop. river is a very good check imo.

[DeathDonkey]

When they do the insta-call thing my experience is it is always aces. Combine that with the preflop and your reads and I think betting would be insane. I think folding somewhere has to be considered.

-DeathDonkey

[tpir90036]

check behind on the river seems good since his hand range seems like AA, KK, QQ or *maybe* AK. you said extremely passive so even that range might be too wide(?). i am not 100% clear on the intention of the turn bet unless the range is this wide though.

also, depending on the level of passivity (i.e. would never cap with anything but AA) i think you can find a turn fold.

[shemp]

Extremely passive nits caps out of the BB? Hmmmm. What hands do you put him on?

[flawless_victory]

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Extremely passive nits caps out of the BB? Hmmmm. What hands do you put him on?

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hmmmmmmm. if u wouldve played this and differently, how about you explain how and why. thatd be great.

[shemp]

I'd rather you tell me what someone you call an extremely passive nit caps out of the BB with. The person that I call that has AA or KK.

[flawless_victory]

first time i ever played w/ him.
he has grey hair and earlier he openlimped in the CO w/ AT.

he is v passive and honest postflop.

[sfer]

What does the BB think of you?

[shemp]

Any thing else in your set up a misdirection?

[flawless_victory]

BB and SB have both openly commented on my aggression several times...
i dont think they either were pissed, but they definitely were openly kidding around about my betting/raising... even when i was in a hand.
they werent trying to be rude, it was good-natured and i didnt mind at all. despite the fact that these guys have prob played holdem regularly longer than ive been alive, they werent adjusting and threebetting me light or anything, but they are smart enough to know my EP raise does not automatically mean a big pair.

[flawless_victory]

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Any thing else in your set up a misdirection?

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are u kidding?
of course i put him on AA-QQ, but im not a fvcking mindreader.
earlier he threebet an EP raise from a wild player w/ AK.
he also threebet his own BB after an EP raise w/ AA. those are the only times ive seen him raise before the flop. ive never seen him cap preflop.
he has grey hair.
in the AA hand, he took the flop HU. he got raised on KTx and called, then checkcalled down. the pther player showed AK and he won.
next time i face a tough hand reading spot like tis, i will PM you b4 i act on my hand and u can tell me what they have.

remember this pot was 4 bets 4 ways preflop so im not auto giving up o the flop after in comes 9high. if u would fold flop for one bet w/ 2 kings getting 17:1 immediately, fine w/ me. say so.

[shemp]

I'm not sure why your inability to articulate yourself makes me such a bad guy. My problem with the turn raise is that it doesn't chase the loose guy with any piece of the board and it probably isn't necessary for the other nit

I wondered: if you are even money or worse on that particularly piece of change, and it has little to do with whether or not you win the pot, why would the greatest player on earth do it. Presumably he has a completely rad gangsta playa rational, because well, he's so awesome, so he must have left something out in the set up, or I must be confused by it... so I asked questions along those lines.

[sfer]

Then I think it's fine.

[flawless_victory]

so, he rolls 99 for top set, wow.
me and every other sane player at the table does a double take like, WTF?!?
he exlpains that he didnt want to fold pre and thought he had to see a flop so he went ahead and capped, but he was playing strictly for set value and if no 9 flops he is check/folding...
wow.
seriously... he had the table shaking their collective head in confusion after this explanation.