B+M etiquette????

Whenever playing in person, i'll ask to see a player's cards a reasonable percentage of the time when he calls me down and tries to muck them...

i generally get a rude response after a while from both the player or the surrounding players, whether it be comments under the breathe or dirty looks... (keep in mind i don't do it every hand, only when i'm truly intrigued by someone's turn play etc..., or i really really dislike them)

is there some etiquette that i'm missing here??? as far as i'm concerned it is my right, and they shouldn't call down if they don't want their cards to be seen... just wondering if i was being a complete a-hole or not

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is there some etiquette that i'm missing here??? as far as i'm concerned it is my right, and they shouldn't call down if they don't want their cards to be seen... just wondering if i was being a complete a-hole or not

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It is considered impolite, and some people take offense. Also, this post belongs in the B&M forum.

oops... didn't know there was one... as it says... "newbie"
thanks though

[brettbrettr]

Some guy just called you down with a losing hand. He's giving you money and, to him, you're rubbing it in by asking to see his cards. Really, don't do it.

Yes, it is your right. But play long enough and you'll get to see the hands he calls down with.

thanks... like i said, i don't do it terribly often... only when my opponents hand range widens greatly by the time he calls the river...

however, if someone pisses me off and i want to rub it in i'll do it every time...

was just wondering about the others though... guess i'll leave it to my imagination from now on...
thanks for the input

[brettbrettr]

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however, if someone pisses me off and i want to rub it in i'll do it every time...

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There are better ways to tilt people who deserve to be tilted. Like asking them to help you stack their chips, that's a good one.

lmao, i'll save that one for someone special

[Nomad84]

My dad taught me how to play poker when I was pretty young. He always taught me that if a person calls down, they don't have to show their cards. If a person bets and gets called, they do have to show if the caller wants them to. In his mind, the caller "paid to see his cards". Not sure what the normal stance is on this topic, but I'm pretty sure that the only time you're supposed to be able to have a hand shown that the player didn't show voluntarily is if collusion or other cheating is suspected. Do a search on the reasoning behind the "I want to see that hand" rule. It should come up if you search "IWTSTH".

[brettbrettr]

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If a person bets and gets called, they do have to show if the caller wants them to.

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This is why you don't expose your hand after calling. If you call, you don't call and say "pair of sevens" You call, let him show his hand, then either table the winner or throw it away.

Oftentimes people will ask to see someone's hand when friends are in the pot together and he gets raised off his hand. So it goes, idiot bets, your friend raises, you 3-bet, idiot folds and says "I'd like to see the hands when its over." If there's a showdown, he gets to see both hands. If there isn't, he doesn't get to see anything.This is much more reasonable a request than asking someone to see a loser. Especially one he lost to you.

lmao, i thought you were kidding with the IWTSTH search, but it's legit... ty

You have it backwards. He called you, the bettor is supposed to show his cards first and the caller has a right to muck them of course if he doesnt have the winning hand.

Obviously by rule you can ask to see them but it's nitty to do so.

So the etiquette actually is the bettor (or first checker) always shows, anyone else can muck. If you ask to see the caller's cards everyone will think you are being a nit.

On the other hand a lot of times the bettor doesnt want to show so they use this delay tactic to fool the caller into showing his hand first, and then they muck theirs. It's okay to ask to see their cards then because they were "suppose" to show first anyway. If they cry about it tell them they should of just shown them then.

Oh ya and this belongs on the B&M board.

[rfsch]

You may or may not be an A-hole but certainly not for asking to see the callers cards if you the completed showdown. Perfectly legit as I understand it. Ask the dealer.