nl1000 6m. - turned OESD against big overbet

[Back In Black]

I think this goes here...haven't been following the split thread.

No read on BB, just sat down about 20 hands ago.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

SB ($672)
BB ($1139.50)
UTG ($200)
MP ($656.50)
CO ($883.50)
Hero ($1239.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $10, CO calls $10, Hero calls $10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: ($45) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $65</font>, MP calls $65, CO folds, Hero calls $65.

Turn: ($240) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB bets $425, MP folds, Hero pushes.

[Yeti]

I don't think it does. Anyway, you have my permission to post $1k 6-max hands in High.

[kongo_totte]

Don't play this high, but I'd fold TPNK on flop to an over bet and a call.

[ajmargarine]

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Don't play this high, but .....

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I thought this forum was supposed to end use of that preface. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[ryanghall]

I'd definitely second Kongo's thinking here. It's got to be a flop fold.

Ryan

[beset7]

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I don't think it does. Anyway, you have my permission to post $1k 6-max hands in High.

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I don't think there was a clear consensus on this but the sense I got was that most 5/10 hands would go in high stakes but that basic/standard type 100xBB 5/10 posts could be posted here.

Fold this on the flop.

[Big_Jim]

The only reason that a flop call would be okay is if you can put him on a set, and know you will get his whole stack when you hit.

If this was the case, though, you need to fold the turn.

You do not have odds to continue, and he's getting &gt; 2:1 on his money right here, so he's not going anywhere, unless he's on a stone bluff.

EDIT: OH [censored].. I'm retarded. Please ignore the above.

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The only reason that a flop call would be okay is if you can put him on a set, and know you will get his whole stack when you hit.

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What was he supposed to hit? That was the strongest card hero could have gotten. My brilliant skills of deduction lead me to believe you misread the board , and agree with a flop fold /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[-Skeme-]

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The only reason that a flop call would be okay is if you can put him on a set, and know you will get his whole stack when you hit.

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What can Hero hit besides running straight or flush cards to give him the win? You can also suspect another overbet on the turn. I think this is an automatic flop fold. As far as the turn, I think your fold equity is very low.. nearing non existance. If you must go through with the hand, just call and stack him when you hit. It's very doubtful he's folding and you are taking the worst of it when he calls.

Remember, tons of outs to make a hand can be cool, and sometimes it's awesome to jam when you have near 50% equity, but fold equity is the most important thing of all during hands like these. Since you do not have it, your push is pretty useless.

[ansky451]

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The only reason that a flop call would be okay is if you can put him on a set, and know you will get his whole stack when you hit.

If this was the case, though, you need to fold the turn.

You do not have odds to continue, and he's getting &gt; 2:1 on his money right here, so he's not going anywhere, unless he's on a stone bluff.

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Implied odds for runner runner?

Fold flop, you're drawing thin or dead way too often.

[ahnuld]

I like the turn. BB probably has 2 pair and will fold if he isnt a calling station. He has shown pure strength and you dont seem to care. If I was him, Id probably put you on a set and fold, so unless he can beat that, nh

I would also fold the flop. I'm not a big fan of the turn push either.

When the BB comes alive like this, it usually means bottom two in my experiences, but his range is probably {99,66,33,96s,93s,63s,96o,93o,63o}. Against his range you have 44.7% equity. With your push, he is getting something like 2.7 to 1 and only needs around 27% equity to call. You have no fold equity because he obviously likes his hand with the overbets on both streets and is not going to ditch it getting 2.7 to 1.

Since he is profiting by his call, you are losing somehow I think. Isn't that in TOP somewhere? I have to go to class though so I can't calculate your EV. Could it be +EV of the dead money in the pot on the push?