Who passes on the river value bet here?

[pooh74]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com (http://www.internettexasholdem.com)

MP3 (t1480)
Hero (t1490)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1690)
BB (t1400)
UTG (t1360)
UTG+1 (t1610)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t80) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t20</font>, BB calls t20, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t80</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t140</font>, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls t60.

Turn: (t400) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t240</font>, MP2 calls t240.

River: (t880) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero?

[Skipbidder]

I bet because I like chips. I'm not sure what more of a comment I can leave.

[pooh74]

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I bet because I like chips. I'm not sure what more of a comment I can leave.

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yeah you're right, its a stupid question. I post stupid hands a lot to punish myself so I dont make dumb mistakes anymore. sorry for the waste.

[Skipbidder]

It is usually possible to figure out at least some possibilities as to why the question is being asked. Here betting seems very straightforward. If oppo has played an overpair or a set this way, then you just pay him off. He's played it in at least a somewhat funny way, however. You can't spend too much time second guessing yourself about it.

Isn't it a lot more likely that your opponents has a hand that is paying you off than is trapping you?

If there is some kind of subtle point that I'm missing here, I look forward to reading about it later on.

[skipperbob]

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I bet because I like chips. I'm not sure what more of a comment I can leave.

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[pooh74]

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It is usually possible to figure out at least some possibilities as to why the question is being asked. Here betting seems very straightforward. If oppo has played an overpair or a set this way, then you just pay him off. He's played it in at least a somewhat funny way, however. You can't spend too much time second guessing yourself about it.

Isn't it a lot more likely that your opponents has a hand that is paying you off than is trapping you?

If there is some kind of subtle point that I'm missing here, I look forward to reading about it later on.

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yeah, you're right. The issue is, when he playing the draw, JT or whatever, he's not calling the river bet. When he is playing the overpair/set, he is putting me in and/or Im losing chips on the river.

The reason this was such a brainfart for me was that there is no way he plays an overpair like this nor a set...almost never.

A9 type hands MORE than make up for any "monsters in the closet" type hands here and its a huge leak when I check behind here. I think there are some subtle differences that you could make to this hand that would make me check behind, but the board pairing shouldnt have scared me at all. A "Q" appearing is a good example where I would feel better about checking the r.

Thanks for the ridicule though

[pooh74]

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I bet because I like chips. I'm not sure what more of a comment I can leave.

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Pooh74 is hungover from the NYC ghet-together /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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FYP...good "read" though

[cha59]

I voted for value bet here too. I dont think its a bad hand to post though.

I like raising a lot more on the flop with a hand like this - probably closer to 300 total. The original raiser is going to call your minraise almost 100% of the time. By raising small, youre giving cheap cards. I like to make them pay dearly to draw with a hand like yours and I dont mind if they fold to my reraise.

[bennies]

I voted to check behind because so few hands you beat will call a bet. Basically only A9, T9s, J9s if villain is decent. What buyin?

[pooh74]

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I voted to check behind because so few hands you beat will call a bet. Basically only A9, T9s, J9s if villain is decent. What buyin?

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sorry...27 stars turbo.

[bigt439]

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I voted to check behind because so few hands you beat will call a bet. Basically only A9, T9s, J9s if villain is decent. What buyin?

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sorry...27 stars turbo.

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Bet for sure, but do something different on the flop. That min-raise looks kinda gross. Raise or smooth call (I probably raise).

[pooh74]

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I voted to check behind because so few hands you beat will call a bet. Basically only A9, T9s, J9s if villain is decent. What buyin?

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sorry...27 stars turbo.

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Bet for sure, but do something different on the flop. That min-raise looks kinda gross. Raise or smooth call (I probably raise).

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re: min raise. yeah, not my usual...but I simply wanted it HU w/o losing him.