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Maulik
12-04-2005, 05:29 PM
2.5:1
I'm not sure how whether I should call or fold, I don't have any reads on villain.

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UTG ($34.35)
MP ($164.76)
CO ($95.10)
Button ($35.70)
Hero ($110.40)
BB ($35.02)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero (poster) calls $2.50, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($12) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls $10.

Turn: ($32) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $82.10 (All-In), Hero calls ???

12-04-2005, 06:02 PM
I think the pot is large enough for a call here. Even if villian has the flush, you still have 10 outs. I think he is still drawing to the flush with the A or the K of hearts, a lot of the time.

Isura
12-04-2005, 07:07 PM
Call.

12-04-2005, 07:13 PM
Yea, I'm all in.

beavens
12-04-2005, 07:58 PM
without thinking twice.

probably AK with a heart.

.edit i mean call without thinking.

12-04-2005, 08:08 PM
Doesn't anyone else think he already has the flush made here?

If he had a set (44,JJ), he would have protected the flop better. Plus, he raised preflop.

Possibilities certainly include AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs, KJs.....

What makes you think he's still drawing?

Wayfare
12-04-2005, 08:10 PM
I probably c/c flop and play from there. As played with the pot odds I think you have to call but I would expect to be beat ~60% of the time.

EDIT: Now I see he raised PF he very well may have AhKx, change above value to ~40%

Hattifnatt
12-04-2005, 08:12 PM
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Call.

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soah
12-04-2005, 08:17 PM
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Possibilities certainly include AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs, KJs.....

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Possibilities also include AA, AKo, KQo... and you're crushing all combinations of KJs btw.

12-05-2005, 04:41 AM
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Doesn't anyone else think he already has the flush made here?

If he had a set (44,JJ), he would have protected the flop better. Plus, he raised preflop.

Possibilities certainly include AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs, KJs.....

What makes you think he's still drawing?

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Do you think he might be calling the turn here if he had the flush made? His preflop raise indicates that he has the ace of hearts if he has the flush. At this level I don't think most players would be protecting the nut flush on the turn.

benwood
12-05-2005, 05:17 AM
Nobody seems to question the pre-flop call.This hand illustrates why the pre-flop fold may be correct.You can hit your set ,&amp; still your hand will often be vulnerable &amp; difficult to play.
But in this particular hand,you have an easy call.The turn raise does not look like a made hand,&amp; in the few times that he does have the flush,you have some outs.

Fallen Hero
12-05-2005, 09:15 AM
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Nobody seems to question the pre-flop call.This hand illustrates why the pre-flop fold may be correct.You can hit your set ,&amp; still your hand will often be vulnerable &amp; difficult to play.

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this just has to be a joke :|

4_2_it
12-05-2005, 09:18 AM
You gotta call. Worst case is villain has a SC flush 78 /images/graemlins/heart.gif. No way a K or nut flush scares you off here.