ATo flops some broadway, how many misplays?

[Bill Smith]

3/6 live game. Our villian, MP, is loose preflop and somewhat tricky and aggressive postflop. He gives my bets a fair amount of respect.

EP limps, MP limps, I limp (?) with A /images/graemlins/club.gif T /images/graemlins/diamond.gif on the button, blinds come along.

Flop (5 SB): A /images/graemlins/heart.gif Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Checked to me. I bet. Only the tricky MP calls.

Turn (3.5 BB): A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

MP checks. I bet...

Please discuss preflop AND turn play.

[jt1]

flop: limping is very poor here. Being in LP against just 2 limpers, you want to isolate them and gain enough leverage to push them out on the flop in case you miss.

Turn: I don't see any other play but to bet/call

[me454555]

I'd want some poorer opponents to limp here pf. I'm not a fan of isolation b/c in 3/6 live, the bb will always call. Give more info on the turn b/c right now it seems incredibly standard

[Bill Smith]

Preflop: It is unlikely that I can isolate the limpers. BB is pretty loose passive and SB is only slightly more reasonable. What are we advocating here: Call, Raise or Fold?

Turn: Given that MP respects my bets, I don't see a bet as being +EV. In the game, I essentially autobet, but after the fact didn't like it.

The pot is small, and he likely is putting me on an ace. He's competent enough to fold any Q, J or straight draw. If he's calling my turn bet, he either has a weak ace (which is a chop), has me beat, or called the flop with exactly Kx or T9 of spades.

On the other hand, he may bet or call with a Q on the end if I check the turn, and I certainly wouldn't mind a Q, J or T hitting on the river if his hand improves. A spade could be bad and a K could chop, but it's pretty unlikely he has the spades, and he's more likely to be holding a K than looking for one.

While there is some risk involved, the pot is small and a check looks good to me. The river plan is to call a bet or bet if checked to. Anybody like?

What I dont get about this is that your hand is not a drawing hand but an ATo with little conectedness, why would you want to inspire more people to enter the pot?

[Bill Smith]

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What I dont get about this is that your hand is not a drawing hand but an ATo with little conectedness, why would you want to inspire more people to enter the pot?

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The alternative is raising when you know you're most likely only knocking out 1 player and giving all sorts of gutshots and pair/kicker draws odds to see a turn.

[brettbrettr]

This is a pretty simple hand. It goes raise pre-flop, and bet the next two streets.

really with 2 loose limpers i'd say the correct play is to raise here in lp..

[Harv72b]

You're not only raising to isolate preflop, but raising for value with what is probably the best hand (or at least a race situation).

The turn is a pretty obvious bet with some potential draws still out there, and if he check/raises I'm 3-betting, calling a four bet, and calling on the river.

[Redd]

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This is a pretty simple hand. It goes raise pre-flop, and bet the next two streets.

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I completely agree with this. I don't really see where the confusion is.

Why would MP fold an jack or queen when you limped preflop and are betting here? unless you are the tightest player on earth i'm not automatically putting you on an ace here, that's silly. preflop you likely have the best hand, on the flop you have high pair and a gutshot to the nut straight, on the turn you have high trips, still a straight draw, and now have a draw to aces full if someone (unlikely) has the straight or hits their flush.

3 bet the turn, call down U/I if capped.