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12-04-2005, 01:32 AM
It was suited! And certainly a dream flop for me. But really now, with 4 limpers in front, as the button it's OK to call any 2 right? That's the basic question.

If it's not okay to call any 2, how about any 2 suited?
If it's okay to call any 2, is it okay to call -any 2-? (72o? 32o?)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx (http://www.zerodivide.cx/converter)

MP1 (t710)
MP2 (t770)
MP3 (t785)
CO (t985)
Hero (t770)
SB (t860)
BB (t800)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t785)
UTG+2 (t750)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t102.50) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets t15</font>, MP2 calls t15, MP3 folds, CO calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls t45, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t105</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, UTG+2 folds, CO calls t195.

Turn: (t777.50) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets t100</font>, Hero calls [t455] , CO calls t355.

River: (t1232.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1232.50

splashpot
12-04-2005, 01:36 AM
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But really now, with 4 limpers in front, as the button it's OK to call any 2 right?

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No. I remember reading in the probability forum that you need something like 20-1 odds (number could be off by a little) to call with trash hoping to flop 2 pair or better.

splashpot
12-04-2005, 01:42 AM
BruceZ does the math (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Board=probability&amp;Number=288908 4&amp;Searchpage=1&amp;Main=2887338&amp;Words=%2Bflop+%2Bpair+ %2Bbetter&amp;topic=&amp;Search=true#Post2889084).
27.8-1 for non suited
22.2-1 for suited

rbear
12-04-2005, 01:43 AM
Possibly w/ suited connectors, but w/ 800 chips in a STT, it's pointless to leak chips in these early stages.

12-04-2005, 01:46 AM
Like others have said it's really a waste of chips. What really is the best though are the min raises pre-flop UTG at the first 2 or 3 levels. Those are always a head scratcher to me.

FlyWf
12-04-2005, 03:05 AM
I'm going to say the PF call wasn't that bad. It's only 15 chips, people at the $11s play horribly postflop, and it was s00ted. Certainly not any two, but you can be pretty loose there if you can play postflop. Still, fold PF.

Also, WTF were you doing on the flop? A bet, 3 calls(making it a t165 pot on your action) and you raise to 60? You have to make it at least 100 there. Then you get a call and a raise to 105, so the pot is now 330. You inexplicably raise to 300. Was there a card on the turn you were going to fold on? If so, why the reraise? If not, just push.