View Full Version : Bloggers, Trolls, and the STTF
Irieguy
12-03-2005, 10:39 PM
I just ran across a little article in Forbes while I was waiting to get my hair cut that explained how internet blogs are a legitimate threat to major corporations.
Basically, since any Tom, Dick, and/or Harry with so much as a dial-up can post a blog and start libeling at will... numerous corporations have taken significant hits at the hands of random haters or (much more commonly) dodgey competitors. Anti-blogging is actually a business now. You can hire somebody to surf the blogs and stay on top of the trash that is being talked about you... so that you have a chance to quickly respond with the truth or retaliate with your own attacks if you wish. Geesh.
It reminded me of a conversation I had with a former 2+2er who is now a "famous" tournament player. I asked why he didn't post anymore and he said... "trolls."
I've since also had brief conversations with two other players whom I would consider to be in the top 20 tournament players in the world. One had only a few posts, and I asked him why. He said he tried to "break in" to the forum crowd, but the criticism was relentless. In his introduction thread he was severely criticized for certain hands he had played on TV. I don't mean fair criticism, either... a few folks were downright mean in a personal way. The other player used to be a ubiquitous poster and now almost never posts. Most assume it's because he's too busy, but it also has to do with the fact that any serious strategy post would instantly degenerate into a disgusting flame war between people attacking him and people defending him.
To some extent, this is just human nature and, you know... meh. But there is something to be said for promoting responsible posting (as SlackerMcFly calls it.)
The trolls won't go anywhere, in fact I'm sure they will dutifully reply to this. But the regulars can certainly lead by example and the moderators can do their part to continue a "zero tolerance" policy for trolls.
A fourth example may be when "DownWithFamousPoster" called out FamousPoster in a thread. He was pretty quickly banned and the post was deleted... but I haven't seen FamousPoster on the forum since. Not that DownWith... was the sole cause. There was plenty of trolling going on in the block thread anyhow.
Irieguy
PS: The difference between playful ribbing or inflammatory banter and trolling is really quite obvious. (Reference just about any SFB thread to see examples of all 3.) Though, I guess I don't expect this post-script to prevent this thread from deteriorating into an argument about whether or not I am a troll.
bones
12-03-2005, 10:59 PM
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Though, I guess I don't expect this post-script to prevent this thread from deteriorating into an argument about whether or not I am a troll.
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Clearly you're an anti-Negreanu troll.
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Scuba Chuck
12-03-2005, 11:02 PM
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Scuba Chuck
12-03-2005, 11:03 PM
A good troll would put names to the faces to whom you're speaking of. FWIW, whatever troll school you went to, I would guess you went down in flames!
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I just ran across a little article in Forbes while I was waiting to get my hair cut that explained how internet blogs are a legitimate threat to major corporations.
Basically, since any Tom, Dick, and/or Harry with so much as a dial-up can post a blog and start libeling at will... numerous corporations have taken significant hits at the hands of random haters or (much more commonly) dodgey competitors. Anti-blogging is actually a business now. You can hire somebody to surf the blogs and stay on top of the trash that is being talked about you... so that you have a chance to quickly respond with the truth or retaliate with your own attacks if you wish. Geesh.
It reminded me of a conversation I had with a former 2+2er who is now a "famous" tournament player. I asked why he didn't post anymore and he said... "trolls."
I've since also had brief conversations with two other players whom I would consider to be in the top 20 tournament players in the world. One had only a few posts, and I asked him why. He said he tried to "break in" to the forum crowd, but the criticism was relentless. In his introduction thread he was severely criticized for certain hands he had played on TV. I don't mean fair criticism, either... a few folks were downright mean in a personal way. The other player used to be a ubiquitous poster and now almost never posts. Most assume it's because he's too busy, but it also has to do with the fact that any serious strategy post would instantly degenerate into a disgusting flame war between people attacking him and people defending him.
To some extent, this is just human nature and, you know... meh. But there is something to be said for promoting responsible posting (as SlackerMcFly calls it.)
The trolls won't go anywhere, in fact I'm sure they will dutifully reply to this. But the regulars can certainly lead by example and the moderators can do their part to continue a "zero tolerance" policy for trolls.
A fourth example may be when "DownWithFamousPoster" called out FamousPoster in a thread. He was pretty quickly banned and the post was deleted... but I haven't seen FamousPoster on the forum since. Not that DownWith... was the sole cause. There was plenty of trolling going on in the block thread anyhow.
Irieguy
PS: The difference between playful ribbing or inflammatory banter and trolling is really quite obvious. (Reference just about any SFB thread to see examples of all 3.) Though, I guess I don't expect this post-script to prevent this thread from deteriorating into an argument about whether or not I am a troll.
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So your "Negreanu should read the STTFs" thread should have been immediately locked as soon as it popped up?
bones
12-03-2005, 11:11 PM
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So your "Negreanu should read the STTFs" thread should have been immediately locked as soon as it popped up?
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Your reasoning skills are so sharp, I'm shocked that you aren't crushing the 800 chip games. What gives?
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So your "Negreanu should read the STTFs" thread should have been immediately locked as soon as it popped up?
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Your reasoning skills are so sharp, I'm shocked that you aren't crushing the 800 chip games. What gives?
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Experience. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
SuitedSixes
12-03-2005, 11:27 PM
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So your "Negreanu should read the STTFs" thread should have been immediately locked as soon as it popped up?
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Your reasoning skills are so sharp, I'm shocked that you aren't crushing the 800 chip games. What gives?
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Experience. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Less posting. More playing.
Freudian
12-03-2005, 11:36 PM
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So your "Negreanu should read the STTFs" thread should have been immediately locked as soon as it popped up?
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Your reasoning skills are so sharp, I'm shocked that you aren't crushing the 800 chip games. What gives?
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Experience. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Less posting. More playing.
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Less non thinking. More thinking.
There have been a LOT of OT posts lateley in STTF. I'm a fairly new member to 2+2 so maybe its the norm. But up until very recently the front page (mine is set to 25 topics) was always full of good questions, analysis, strategy, etc. Even the "easy" questions by us noobs were explained to us why they were considered an easy situation, which is why I'm here...to learn.
Now, I'm fully aware that alot of the respected posters here have made friends with other posters and use this forum as a form of communication amongst them. That seems perfectly acceptable. However, lately my front page seems to have 4-5 OT posts pushing the strategy posts back.
I'll admit to having a little fun with the recent OT post about the bands...I guess that just makes me as guilty as the rest. But I think there is another place for that.
My 2 cents.
REL18
12-04-2005, 12:38 AM
Hopefully u never gain that experience dbach would be crime to poker humanity, dbach is just one of those guys that wants u to do his homework for him and give u nothing in return but a duh u gunna give it to me shame on anybody that sends u hh's
runner4life7
12-04-2005, 01:29 AM
i will say two things,
i am drunk but can still type and think clearly
this makes me want tostop making any meaningless posts unless in OOT or the bad beat forum because the top poster's who I wont name because i dont want to miss anyone have helped me so much. When i read a post about a hand think about what I would do and read a top poster so the same thing I thought my confidence would rise which helped me play better. So thanks to irieguy and the many other regulars, please dont let trolls change how often you post, because honestly, f*** them.
GtrHtr
12-04-2005, 02:13 AM
I wrote out a long answer and then deleted it. Bottom line is that a fair % of interesting, thoughtful SNG posts have recently returned to the forum. That contibutes equally to the social aspect of the forum which, as a member of the "4000" I truly enjoy.
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i will say two things,
i am drunk but can still type and think clearly
this makes me want tostop making any meaningless posts unless in OOT or the bad beat forum because the top poster's who I wont name because i dont want to miss anyone have helped me so much. When i read a post about a hand think about what I would do and read a top poster so the same thing I thought my confidence would rise which helped me play better. So thanks to irieguy and the many other regulars, please dont let trolls change how often you post, because honestly, f*** them.
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The same way that trolls can make good players and regulars stop posting here, so can arrogant, know-it-all good players and regulars make newbies not want to post here. You can't sit here and say Irieguy or The Yugoslavian can get away with it because he has tenure and has valubale posts whereas a troll who doesn't contribute anything worthwhile cannot also. This is exactly what I eluded to in The Yugoslavian's "Should Yugo go" thread. If you let this kind of thing slide, it's pure hypocrisy and favoritcism being shown and practiced. I'd rather deal with a great person and player who can help me improve than someone who is a foul person with equal greatness in play who can help me improve.
zipppy
12-04-2005, 02:35 AM
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I'd rather deal with a great person and player who can help me improve than someone who is a foul person with equal greatness in play who can help me improve.
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I'd rather deal with both.
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I'd rather deal with a great person and player who can help me improve than someone who is a foul person with equal greatness in play who can help me improve.
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I'd rather deal with both.
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You're a bigger person than me.
HighestCard
12-04-2005, 02:59 AM
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
zipppy
12-04-2005, 03:21 AM
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
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as if we know what you think yugo said that was wrong.
If someone did something truly bannable, the mods will deal with it. If you don't like the way moderators moderate on a site, it truly isn't the site for you.
bawcerelli
12-04-2005, 03:22 AM
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
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you hear that yugo? no more basement rapings.
zipppy
12-04-2005, 03:24 AM
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
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you hear that irie? no more basement rapings.
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you hear that raptor? no more getting raped in the basement.
bawcerelli
12-04-2005, 03:26 AM
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
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you hear that irie? no more basement rapings.
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sorry, i can't figure out who dbach thinks is the child raper
you hear that raptor? no more getting raped in the basement.
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
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as if we know what you think yugo said that was wrong.
If someone did something truly bannable, the mods will deal with it. If you don't like the way moderators moderate on a site, it truly isn't the site for you.
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I've done nothing to The Yugoslavian to deserve being called that. If you don't think so, that's on you. I never got so out of line in that thread to even warrant such a response.
zipppy
12-04-2005, 03:28 AM
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
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you hear that irie? no more basement rapings.
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sorry, i can't figure out dbach
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fyp...me either
You're hijacking another thread with your [censored] nonsense? Jesus, man. Stop it.
Everyone's aware that you think Yugo wronged you. Posting about it in every thread you can find isn't gonna change anything in your favor. All it does is piss the rest of us - who find Irie's posts quite intriguing - off.
Stop it.
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He is saying you should look at the good things the posters have to offer to the forum and try to ignore the bad. If you can't ignore the bad you simply need to keep to yourself about it and let the moderators deal with it.
People need to stop taking things so personally on an impersonal means of expression, aka the internet. They get too emotionally involved and stubborn with their opinions, which blocks them from getting any good from a useful post.
HC
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I saw a clip on TV about this white, millionaire, who by all accounts was a successful businessman and great human being. He provided jobs to others and he was a model citizen living in the suburbs. Problem was, he was committing all types of sexual abuse against young women in the basement of his home for years. Are we to ignore the bad because he provided jobs to the community and was a financial success? If we are to ignore the bad in this forum, then there would be no need to moderate and police it. Every argument I'm hearing to the contrary is supporting hypocrisy and favoriticism. This has nothing to do with whther he hurt my feelings or whether I'm taking it too personal. Wrong is wrong, there are no grounds or arguments to sugarcoating it.
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you hear that irie? no more basement rapings.
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sorry, i can't figure out dbach
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fyp...me either
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Maybe it's best that you don't try.
mlagoo
12-04-2005, 03:31 AM
jesus just shut up
durron597
12-04-2005, 05:09 AM
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pergesu
12-04-2005, 05:31 AM
The good posters DO do their part in making quality posts and making this place a daily (or 2340985723495 times daily) stop for a lot of this.
It's the gay people who make gay posts that mess it up. I hate sifting through 2138947 [censored] threads before there's one worth replying to. Then when there is a decent thread, there are four or five responses before someone derails it and it turns into a contest of who can post the most retarded picture of random people holding what unverifiably are alcoholic bevarages.
That's why I'm not posting anymore. You say that the trolls will always be around...but I'll do my part here. When the gay people stop being gay, I'll stop being bitter and start posting again. In the mean time I'll just continue to have dynamite discussions with my tru niggas.
Congrats to Yugo for getting me hooked on Heineken.
Jman28
12-04-2005, 05:33 AM
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This is an excellent gimmick account. Mostly because one who rapes is usually referred to as a rapist not a 'raper', which has a much better comic effect.
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The good posters DO do their part in making quality posts and making this place a daily (or 2340985723495 times daily) stop for a lot of this.
It's the gay people who make gay posts that mess it up. I hate sifting through 2138947 [censored] threads before there's one worth replying to. Then when there is a decent thread, there are four or five responses before someone derails it and it turns into a contest of who can post the most retarded picture of random people holding what unverifiably are alcoholic bevarages.
That's why I'm not posting anymore. You say that the trolls will always be around...but I'll do my part here. When the gay people stop being gay, I'll stop being bitter and start posting again. In the mean time I'll just continue to have dynamite discussions with my tru niggas.
Congrats to Yugo for getting me hooked on Heineken.
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If you go to the $22 and $33s HH thread, the picture had nothing to do with the subject matter of the thread. I didn't initially make the thread deteriorate, it's the posters who came in talking about 40s and malt liquor forum, etc and whether or not players would send me HHs or take me serious. I'm guessing you either missed that or disregarded it like so many others have.
Irie guy admitted to making a dumb comment in a useless thread about Daniel Negreanu failing to use the term "blocking bet". Yet, when you speak of gay people messing up threads that you have to filter through, somehow I take it that you're weren't including him. Is that the type of dynamite discussions you're talikng about discussing with your true nuuuhhhs?
Jman28
12-04-2005, 05:52 AM
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Irie guy admitted to making a dumb comment in a useless thread about Daniel Negreanu failing to use the term "blocking bet". Yet, when you speak of gay people messing up threads that you have to filter through, somehow I take it that you're weren't including him.
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Irieguy isn't gay. I'm offended. I think this is grounds for a banning.
rbear
12-04-2005, 05:57 AM
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Irie guy admitted to making a dumb comment in a useless thread about Daniel Negreanu failing to use the term "blocking bet". Yet, when you speak of gay people messing up threads that you have to filter through, somehow I take it that you're weren't including him.
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Irieguy isn't gay. I'm offended. I think this is grounds for a banning.
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hahahaha I second this.
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Irie guy admitted to making a dumb comment in a useless thread about Daniel Negreanu failing to use the term "blocking bet". Yet, when you speak of gay people messing up threads that you have to filter through, somehow I take it that you're weren't including him.
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Irieguy isn't gay. I'm offended. I think this is grounds for a banning.
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A clear example of deterioration in a thread I'm assuming was meant to address it in some shape or form and get rid of it.
psyduck
12-04-2005, 05:57 AM
I don't understand why this idiot DBACH still isn't banned. I mean, every single person in every single thread that he's replied in wants him banned. Where da modz at??/
Jman28
12-04-2005, 06:01 AM
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Irie guy admitted to making a dumb comment in a useless thread about Daniel Negreanu failing to use the term "blocking bet". Yet, when you speak of gay people messing up threads that you have to filter through, somehow I take it that you're weren't including him.
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Irieguy isn't gay. I'm offended. I think this is grounds for a banning.
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A clear example of deterioration in a thread I'm assuming was meant to address it in some shape or form and get rid of it.
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You guys are all bitches.
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I don't understand why this idiot DBACH still isn't banned. I mean, every single person in every single thread that he's replied in wants him banned. Where da modz at??/
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I've already spoken with durron597. There is no reason to ban me. I haven't gotten out of line, I haven't called anyone names, nor have I offended anyone. It has all been done to me and it has been made abundantly clear that nothing will be done about it.
Jman28
12-04-2005, 06:08 AM
On a serious note, this kind of thing has come up before. It seems that a lot of the best posters here have much more leeway that brand new ones because they have earned it. I felt it was unfair at first too, but it's just like any group of people anywhere in life. The ones who have been involved longer and have proven themselves earned their status. They've earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to dumb/bad posts or whatever.
Accept it, because the money that some of these guys make, they are really giving gifts away by contributing to this forum. Keep them happy, for your own personal benefit and for everyone elses who frequents this board.
runner4life7
12-04-2005, 06:16 AM
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i am drunk but can still type and think clearly
this makes me want tostop making any meaningless posts unless in OOT or the bad beat forum because the top poster's who I wont name because i dont want to miss anyone have helped me so much. When i read a post about a hand think about what I would do and read a top poster so the same thing I thought my confidence would rise which helped me play better. So thanks to irieguy and the many other regulars, please dont let trolls change how often you post, because honestly, f*** them.
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The same way that trolls can make good players and regulars stop posting here, so can arrogant, know-it-all good players and regulars make newbies not want to post here. You can't sit here and say Irieguy or The Yugoslavian can get away with it because he has tenure and has valubale posts whereas a troll who doesn't contribute anything worthwhile cannot also. This is exactly what I eluded to in The Yugoslavian's "Should Yugo go" thread. If you let this kind of thing slide, it's pure hypocrisy and favoritcism being shown and practiced. I'd rather deal with a great person and player who can help me improve than someone who is a foul person with equal greatness in play who can help me improve.
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see thats the thing though, ive never felt like any of the great posters have been like god, runner4life7 you are a moron why do you try. But yeah, if they did i wouldnt care because they have helped me, unlike you, who havent done anything for me or probably anyone for that matter. So I'm sorry for being respectful and thankful to those who have given what they dont have to. So instead of bitching about them since this is "meaningless" to you, go post and reply and help every single persons hand that they ever ask about.
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On a serious note, this kind of thing has come up before. It seems that a lot of the best posters here have much more leeway that brand new ones because they have earned it. I felt it was unfair at first too, but it's just like any group of people anywhere in life. The ones who have been involved longer and have proven themselves earned their status. They've earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to dumb/bad posts or whatever.
Accept it, because the money that some of these guys make, they are really giving gifts away by contributing to this forum. Keep them happy, for your own personal benefit and for everyone elses who frequents this board.
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I'll try to remember that the next time one calls me a female dog for no reason. Somehow I can't see Chip Reese or Barry Greenstein doing this. Then again, this is the internet.
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Irie guy admitted to making a dumb comment in a useless thread about Daniel Negreanu failing to use the term "blocking bet". Yet, when you speak of gay people messing up threads that you have to filter through, somehow I take it that you're weren't including him.
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Irieguy isn't gay. I'm offended. I think this is grounds for a banning.
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He didn't call Irie gay, he was simply stating that whichever kind of post Irie made nobody here would probably call him gay (unless it was very clearly pointed out it's intended as a simple joke).
The only (questionably) questionable post I've seen this guy make is when he asked for HH's. Its clear that he hasn't been around for a very long time, so why didn't you just tell him that most people usually wouldn't want to share their HH's for free, and that he probabably shouldn't expect alot of good responses? Instead all of you told him how stupid he was for thinking that way. Imagine if those kinds of replies were made in strategical posts: "LOL! you raise with that? go back to mowing lawns, idiot!".
I beleive that to any serious question and request, there is a serious and non-insulting answer, even if that answer wasn't what the OP was expecting or hoping for. So why not try our best to make a good and serious answer for any question? Whoever the OP might be. (this ofcource excluding obvious trolls(the best way to kill a troll is to not feed it, IE not respond to its thread)).
lacky
12-04-2005, 06:47 AM
DBACH, you CAN spend all your time argueing with everybody, people like it, we've had lots of people play that role for us, BUT it's a collosel waste of your time. Ignore the BS and work on your game if it's what you really care about, and if it's not there are other sites with naked girls and stuff that are far more interesting.
Steve
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Irie guy admitted to making a dumb comment in a useless thread about Daniel Negreanu failing to use the term "blocking bet". Yet, when you speak of gay people messing up threads that you have to filter through, somehow I take it that you're weren't including him.
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Irieguy isn't gay. I'm offended. I think this is grounds for a banning.
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He didn't call Irie gay, he was simply stating that whichever kind of post Irie made nobody here would probably call him gay (unless it was very clearly pointed out it's intended as a simple joke).
The only (questionably) questionable post I've seen this guy make is when he asked for HH's. Its clear that he hasn't been around for a very long time, so why didn't you just tell him that most people usually wouldn't want to share their HH's for free, and that he probabably shouldn't expect alot of good responses? Instead all of you told him how stupid he was for thinking that way. Imagine if those kinds of replies were made in strategical posts: "LOL! you raise with that? go back to mowing lawns, idiot!".
I beleive that to any serious question and request, there is a serious and non-insulting answer, even if that answer wasn't what the OP was expecting or hoping for. So why not try our best to make a good and serious answer for any question? Whoever the OP might be. (this ofcource excluding obvious trolls(the best way to kill a troll is to not feed it, IE not respond to its thread)).
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Now how hard is it for people to understand this? It's a matter of simple respect, common courtesy, and tact. You shouldn't be exempt from this whether you're Irieguy, The Yugoslavian, or whoever else. To make matters worse, not only am I blatantly thrased by The Yugoslavian without provocation but it is also told to me that I should just except it because he has tenure, has made vauable contributions to this forum, he will be given the benefit of the doubt in the matter, and that nothing will be done about it. Not that you completely agree with everything I've said Lastas but you've pretty much hinted to the hypocrisy and favoriticism I speak of.
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DBACH, you CAN spend all your time argueing with everybody, people like it, we've had lots of people play that role for us, BUT it's a collosel waste of your time. Ignore the BS and work on your game if it's what you really care about, and if it's not there are other sites with naked girls and stuff that are far more interesting.
Steve
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Appreciated the offer, Steve. It will be remebered.
Degen
12-04-2005, 07:42 AM
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There have been a LOT of OT posts lateley in STTF. I'm a fairly new member to 2+2 so maybe its the norm. But up until very recently the front page (mine is set to 25 topics) was always full of good questions, analysis, strategy, etc. Even the "easy" questions by us noobs were explained to us why they were considered an easy situation, which is why I'm here...to learn.
Now, I'm fully aware that alot of the respected posters here have made friends with other posters and use this forum as a form of communication amongst them. That seems perfectly acceptable. However, lately my front page seems to have 4-5 OT posts pushing the strategy posts back.
I'll admit to having a little fun with the recent OT post about the bands...I guess that just makes me as guilty as the rest. But I think there is another place for that.
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At first glance, I would tend to agree with you.
Except for the fact that 95% of the super valueable information I have gotten from this forum has been through PM's, AIM and other forms of 1 on 1 communication. These encounters could not have occurred if not for the forum.
Also with the pretty straightforward nature of SNG play, there are only so many angles to discuss if you've been playing/studying them for six months or more. Many people hang around here as a subconscious way to stay connected when new information does break, or new trends are discussed.
So in short, even though it may just seem like a clicky high school quad with people playing practical jokes...there is a ton of poker winning, learning and sharing going on.
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12-04-2005, 07:45 AM
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The Yugoslavian can get away with it because he has tenure and has valubale posts
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$5 pokerstars money if you can give me a link to one valueable Yugoslavian post
seriously
lacky
12-04-2005, 07:52 AM
If it was worth the time for $5, I could win this bet meny times over, seriosly. you haven't been around long enough. Before the gerneral asumption around here became yugo sucks at poker he posted in stratagy threads all the time.
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12-04-2005, 08:00 AM
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not the same as posting something valueable
and i was only 51% serious
forgot to put a bunch of /images/graemlins/wink.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/cool.gif's in there
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12-04-2005, 08:17 AM
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$5 pokerstars money if you can give me a link to one valueable Yugoslavian post
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I'm expecting to see a Yugo vs Degen HU match on Stars here soon. j/k /images/graemlins/wink.gif No but seriously, it's incorrect to say that Yugo hasn't posted any good strategy stuff on the forum. Not just that, but he's also a good guy in real life, which counts a ton in my book regardless of any of the OT posts he's made here. I'd respect you too DBACH but first that has to be earned the same way Yugo acquired my respect.
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12-04-2005, 09:44 AM
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$5 pokerstars money if you can give me a link to one valueable Yugoslavian post
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I'm expecting to see a Yugo vs Degen HU match on Stars here soon. j/k /images/graemlins/wink.gif No but seriously, it's incorrect to say that Yugo hasn't posted any good strategy stuff on the forum. Not just that, but he's also a good guy in real life, which counts a ton in my book regardless of any of the OT posts he's made here. I'd respect you too DBACH but first that has to be earned the same way Yugo acquired my respect.
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I think it is accurate to say that I am "King of the Yugo-Bashers"....But to say that he hasn't posted meaningful posts is pure nonsense....Additionally, Yugo & Usher are just two (of many) fun, intelligent, wity and neat guys that help make the whole 2+2 experience more enjoyable and productive.."SFB"
PS: Can someone explain to me what a "troll" is & how to post a pic of a semi-nakid woman /images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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12-04-2005, 09:51 AM
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$5 pokerstars money if you can give me a link to one valueable Yugoslavian post
seriously
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I'm expecting to see a Yugo vs Degen HU match on Stars here soon. j/k /images/graemlins/wink.gif No but seriously, it's incorrect to say that Yugo hasn't posted any good strategy stuff on the forum. Not just that, but he's also a good guy in real life, which counts a ton in my book regardless of any of the OT posts he's made here. I'd respect you too DBACH but first that has to be earned the same way Yugo acquired my respect.
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I think it is accurate to say that I am "King of the Yugo-Bashers"....But to say that he hasn't posted meaningful posts is pure nonsense....Additionally, Yugo & Usher are just two (of many) fun, intelligent, wity and neat guys that help make the whole 2+2 experience more enjoyable and productive.."SFB"
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sheesh
IT WAS A JOPKE, sorry
yugo is the man, i /images/graemlins/heart.gif yugo, yugo has pwned me everytime that i can recall playing him in a sit n go
I like the idea of a STTF community, but I also think the forum would benefit greatly if it was divided into two sub-forums: strategy and community. The strategy forum would benefit because there would be less OT stuff to sift through and the community forum would benefit because there would be less apprehension about posting something that would be OT. Diligent work by moderators (thanks to the volunteers) might result in a strategy forum that is more welcoming to the types of players who Irieguy reports are staying away because it's not worth the trouble.
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