quick numbers question

[bugstud]

how much money am I costing myself by being ~27/20 with a 32 wtsd and 56/57 w@sd?

[Rubeskies]

go to showdown more

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go to showdown more

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I've been trying to figure that out. I dunno where you guys do that I don't

[TStoneMBD]

32/57 is pretty nice. 32 is low though and if you got it up a little bit youd probably do better. i really dont think posts like this are going to help you though because if you dont know when you should be going to showdown just randomly taking more hands to showdown than before will probably do you more harm than good.

[ArturiusX]

I have the exact same "problem". 27/21 with a WTSD of 31.9, W$SD of 53.

[TheMetetron]

I'm on a new computer, but my stats for the 10k hands I have on here are:

27/22, 41% WtSD, 51% W$SD

32 seems really low.

[TheMetetron]

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how much money am I costing myself by sucking at poker?

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Should've been what you asked /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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how much money am I costing myself by sucking at poker?

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Should've been what you asked /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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41% WTSD 51% W$ASD? Wierd. I also see that you're running about 5% tact. Do you figure the later contributes to your winrate? You could probably shave a few points off it /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[TheMetetron]

Meh, jameson knows I'm screwing with him.

And that he has to bow down to my RISK domination did he not cheat that one time /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[bugstud]

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Meh, jameson knows I'm screwing with him.

And that he has to bow down to my RISK domination did he not cheat that one time /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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yeah I can run good at risk.

what's weird is my sample back in june for 10k hands was 38%. now I have 45k since I moved back down at 32.

[TheMetetron]

What are you doing to go to showdown so little? You have to be folding to much or screwing up your aggression somewhere (perhaps flop where your aggression is low?).

[TStoneMBD]

i dont think wtsd converges over 10k hands. if youve been running bad then wtsd/wsd is a biproduct of that. there are alot of players that have wtsd of 40 but i run at 35wtsd and i cant see myself getting to 40wtsd optimally. i think wtsd has alot to do with playing styles. i put myself in alot of bet/fold situations that most people here dont like taking but i feel work for me.

[Victor]

hi bugstud,

when i run good my wsd is around 35. my overall is around 32. i too have been continually intrigued by how all these guys play way more hand, go way farther and somehow make way more money.

i see ppl with tag or lagtag stats do the dumbest [censored] that is completely obvious. like, never fold ace high heads up no matter what the action. call turn checkraises in protected pots with ak. 3bet me with suited connectors. the reason i know they are just retarded as the rest is bc they always hit and show me the winner.

its disgusting. they think they are so smart by 3betting me with 56s or 78s after a few coldcalls.

[Jeff W]

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how much money am I costing myself by being ~27/20 with a 32 wtsd and 56/57 w@sd?

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I don't know if there is an answer to your question. Showdown stats take a very long time to converge and they're just as much an indicator of how you're running as they are of how you're playing.

My lifetime showdown stats are 35/56, but over my last 15k hands I'm running at 32/47.

[bugstud]

so in theory I was running bad for 45k hands? more excuses yay! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Jeff W]

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so in theory I was running bad for 45k hands? more excuses yay! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Yeah, anyone who tells you that you can't run bad for 45k hands is full of [censored].

[bugstud]

how often do you high wtsd guys go to showdown in the sb/bb?

Regardless, you'd probably have run better with a higher WTSD~ Re-evaluate your play in small / HU pots maybe, I doubt any reasonable player is folding too much in multiways. Overaggression is another common problem that can bring WTSD down. Historically I've had trouble keeping my WTSD high (35+), myself, so this is an interesting topic for me.

[bugstud]

is it likely that making videos will help me on this?

[wheelz]

very.

[baronzeus]

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so in theory I was running bad for 45k hands? more excuses yay! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Yeah, anyone who tells you that you can't run bad for 45k hands is full of [censored].

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32/47? over 15K? /images/graemlins/frown.gif

im like 38/51 over my last 25K (usually like 38/53) and my winrate is 0.00BB/100 over that time. i shudder to think of how much your winrate has suffered /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[imported_azalin]

Over 40k hands i am 38% went to showdown and 53% won so .. 0.38*0.53 = 0.2014 = 20% of hands i won with a showdown. You : .32 * .57 = .1824 = 18% of of hands you won on showdown. I think 2% is a big amount. In order to receive a specific answer for the $$ you "lost" though we need to "assume" some factors being this and that so i stop my analysis here (factors like how many times your opponents folded on previous streets in particular).

[Wynton]

Ages ago, I asked how we know what this stat should be. I mean, has a concensus been reached solely by looking at the stat generated by players with great reputations, or is there actually some mathematical basis for the concensus view?

Personally, I like to lie to myself and pretend that my low number is based on extraordinary reading skills.

[stoxtrader]

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this, but the WtSD stat is correlated to the limits you play generally for good players, and the average number of players at your table.

The less players, and the higher limits, you go to showdown more I think.